[Xmca-l] Re: Volume One of Pedology of the Adolescent Published in Korean

Andy Blunden andyb@marxists.org
Wed May 30 19:26:58 PDT 2018


Thanks, David.

Andy

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Andy Blunden
http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
On 31/05/2018 12:24 PM, David Kellogg wrote:
> Come on, Andy. Take a look at the VERY FIRST LINE of my
> response to you yesterday.
>
> dk
>
> David Kellogg
> Sangmyung University
>
> New Book with the Seoul Vygotsky Community
>
> Volume 1 of "Pedology of the Adolescent", 분열과 사랑 (in the
> Korean language)
>
> http://www.aladin.co.kr/shop/wproduct.aspx?ItemId=148240197
>         
>
> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 11:09 AM, Andy Blunden
> <andyb@marxists.org <mailto:andyb@marxists.org>> wrote:
>
>     David, you keep talking about "Chapter 5" but you
>     never specify of which book. Could you help me out
>     here. Which text are we talking about?
>
>     Andy
>
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>     Andy Blunden
>     http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
>     <http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm>
>     On 31/05/2018 11:10 AM, David Kellogg wrote:
>>     Mike:
>>
>>     You know, the weird thing is that Vygotsky makes
>>     exactly your point about his own development and
>>     those of his colleagues in the author's preface to
>>     T&S. He says that they had to discard a good deal of
>>     material which seemed completely erroneous, and they
>>     went down several rabbit holes that turned out to be
>>     dead ends.. 
>>
>>     I find this weird for two reasons. First of all, I
>>     have always thought that the periodization of
>>     Vygotsky's thinking is overblown (e.g. Minick's
>>     preface to T&S in he CW and also in the Intro to
>>     Vygotsky volume edited by Daniels). When we look back
>>     at the "instrumental" period (a term Luria uses but
>>     Vygotsky himself eschews in his letters) and on the
>>     "psychological systems" paper, we can see that the
>>     rudiments of important ideas in the pedology.
>>     "Instrumental" psychology becomes the Social
>>     Situation of Development conceptualized as a relation
>>     between the child and the environment rather than a
>>     material setting on which the child acts wiht
>>     instruments. The "psychological system of functions"
>>     is a rudimentary form of the idea of a Central
>>     Neoformation and a Central Line of Development which
>>     exchanges places with Peripheral Neoformations and
>>     Peripheral Lines of Development. So it sees to me
>>     that the three different Vygotskies discovered by
>>     Minick and Gonzalez Rey and others are really
>>     artifacts of what happened after Vygotsky's death;
>>     there is one Vygotsky, and the key to the anatomy of
>>     "Ape, Primtive, Child" is in the anatomy of the
>>     pedology. 
>>
>>     Secondly, although Vygotsky does say this about
>>     discarding a good deal of material and going down
>>     rabbit holes that turned out to be dead ends, there
>>     is this weird problem with Chapter Five. It is, very
>>     clearly and evidently, about adolescents, and its
>>     main argument is that concepts do not and cannot
>>     emerge until after the Crisis at Thirteen. And yet
>>     the very next chapter, Chapter Six, is equally
>>     clearly and equally evidently about school children,
>>     and its main argument is that the complexes need to
>>     be left, like Mary's Little Lamb, at the school door.
>>     One of these chapters must be a rabbit hole that
>>     turned out to be a dead end. But which one? 
>>
>>     dk 
>>
>>     David Kellogg
>>     Sangmyung University
>>
>>     New Book with the Seoul Vygotsky Community
>>
>>     Volume 1 of "Pedology of the Adolescent", 분열과 사랑 (in
>>     the Korean language)
>>
>>     http://www.aladin.co.kr/shop/wproduct.aspx?ItemId=148240197
>>     <http://www.aladin.co.kr/shop/wproduct.aspx?ItemId=148240197>
>>             
>>
>>     On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 10:36 AM, mike cole
>>     <mcole@ucsd.edu <mailto:mcole@ucsd.edu>> wrote:
>>
>>         Congratulions to you and your team, David. We all
>>         look forward to an English edition.
>>
>>         All those issues good for discussion.
>>         Where does the text on 
>>         Pedology  fit in the instrumental— functional
>>         systems- perezhivanie 
>>         Sequencing of his phases of theorizing?
>>
>>         Mike
>>
>>         On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 6:00 PM David Kellogg
>>         <dkellogg60@gmail.com
>>         <mailto:dkellogg60@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>             The Seoul Vygotsky Community is proud to
>>             announce the publication of the first volume
>>             of  Vygotsky's "Pedology of the Adolescent"
>>             in Korean (see link below). Some of this
>>             material has been circulated on our list, but
>>             it has never actually been published in any
>>             language except Russian.
>>
>>             Like the upcoming publication of Vygotsky's
>>             pedological work in French (and, eventually,
>>             in English), I think the material speaks for
>>             its own importance in theory and in
>>             methodology. But I also think it addresses
>>             (at least) three practical questions which
>>             keep coming up on this list.
>>
>>             a) How can a Zoped be measured in years? The
>>             Binet tasks are utterly inadequate for this
>>             purpose, as Thorndike, Vygotsky, and even
>>             Binet said at the time. So we need
>>             neoformations that are observable in the data
>>             of everyday life, e.g. language. The first
>>             chapter of this volume, never published in
>>             Engliish, gives these for the Crisis at Thirteen.
>>
>>             b) What does the child think with before the
>>             child is thinking with concepts? In Thinking
>>             and Speech, the chapter on concept formation
>>             in adolescence is actually placed BEFORE the
>>             chapter on preconcept formation in elementary
>>             school. The chapters in this volume on the
>>             role of emotion as a "sputnik" of development
>>             not only explain how the adolescent is
>>             thinking during concept formation but also why.
>>
>>             c) What is the status of the phrase
>>             "psychological tools"? Vygotsky himself uses
>>             it at one point. Then he criticizes it and
>>             says that people who use this are simply
>>             handwaving. This material was written at
>>             exactly the point in his thinking he made
>>             that criticism, and...he does not use it.
>>             Instead, he uses the idea of
>>             "semanticization" in order to describe the
>>             "intro-volution" of structures.
>>
>>             This volume has important things to add on
>>             all of these issues, but it's actually little
>>             more than the kind of preamble we find in the
>>             first five chapters of HDHMF or the first
>>             four chapters we find in T&S. In the next
>>             volume, which we are working on right now,
>>             Vygotsky says that the last great critical
>>             period of childhood is the product of the
>>             "non-coincidence" of general anatomical
>>             growth, sexual maturation, and socio-cultural
>>             maturity. Growth goes on a bit later (thanks
>>             to diet), puberty happens earlier and earlier
>>             (ditto), but the child's ability to reproduce
>>             his or her own labor and that of a family
>>             seems to be endlessly put off by our culture.
>>
>>             David Kellogg
>>             Sangmyung University
>>
>>             New Book with the Seoul Vygotsky Community
>>
>>             Volume 1 of "Pedology of the Adolescent", 분열과
>>             사랑 (in the Korean language)
>>
>>             http://www.aladin.co.kr/shop/wproduct.aspx?ItemId=148240197
>>             <http://www.aladin.co.kr/shop/wproduct.aspx?ItemId=148240197>
>>                     
>>
>>         -- 
>>         A man's mind-what there is of it- has always the
>>         advantage of being
>>         masculine, - as the smallest birch-tree is of a
>>         higher kind than the most
>>         soaring palm, - and even his ignorance is of a
>>         sounder quality.
>>         ---George Eliot
>>
>>
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