[Xmca-l] Re: Resituating funds of identity within contemporary interpretations of perezhivanie - discussion
Alfredo Jornet Gil
a.j.gil@iped.uio.no
Sat Jun 16 14:41:06 PDT 2018
Adam, this was a great introduction, not wordy at all; so thank you so much! Like Andy, I also liked your article very much, particularly because it offers a fresh look to an increasingly used concept, and for how it repeatedly draws practical implications on how the notion may lead to awareness of the grow and change opportunities that exist in re-working of experience as we bring experiences to bear in new situations. Not a focus on positive or the negative but on the transformational character. This is just an appreciation, not a question, or a request; I am sure Moises will bring several of those much more relevant. I am copying two quotations from your article that speak to this transformational character, and, felicitously, in a "fundamentally optimistic" orientation despite the reference to possible negativity and crisis:
"Existential funds of identity are thus defined as positive and negative experiences that students develop and appropriate to define themselves and use to help them grow as human beings."
"We consider the notion of existential funds of identity to be fundamentally optimistic in its orientation toward the transformation of critical moments through catharsis and integration with the personality."
Alfredo
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From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu> on behalf of Adam Poole (16517826) <Adam.Poole@nottingham.edu.cn>
Sent: 16 June 2018 10:32
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Subject: [Xmca-l] Resituating funds of identity within contemporary interpretations of perezhivanie - discussion
Hi all,
I'd thought I'd get the ball rolling on discussion of my article 'Resituating Funds of Identity Within Contemporary Interpretations of Perezhivanie' by just offering a brief introduction of myself and the inspiration for writing the article. I'd like to thank Alfredo for introducing it to you all and giving me the chance to discuss it in the form of an email dialogue - a first for me.
So, my name is Adam Poole and I am a practitioner-researcher based in Shanghai, China. I'm currently an International Baccalaureate (IB) teacher in an international school called YK Pao, and am in the final stages of completing my doctoral research into the construction of international teacher identity. Once I have gained my doctorate, I hope to become more engaged in academic research. My co-author, who is sadly not available for this dialogue, also teaches IB and is working on a master's degree. At the time of the paper's composition, we were both teaching in the same school. I have since moved on to YK Pao.
I became acquainted with the funds of knowledge concept through my doctoral studies, and this lead me to the work of Moises Esteban-Guitart and his related approach, funds of identity. I had conducted some empirical research into my own students' funds of identity, which gave birth to a paper ('I want to be a furious leopard') and the notion of existential funds of identity. In contrast to the majority of funds of identity studies that focused on 'light or positive experiences, my findings included more problematic experiences, such as peer pressure, physical appearance, and alienation. I labelled these 'existential funds of identity' as to me they seemed to represent an ambivalent form of funds of identity - both light and dark.
This lead me to wanting to propose extending the concept of funds of identity in order to encompass both 'light' and 'dark' funds of identity. Then I came across a Symposium edition of Mind, Culture and Activity on Perezhivanie. On reading the articles, particularly Andy Bluden's and Gonzalez Rey's, I had something of a 'light bulb' moment: the notion of a perezhivanie as a working over of a critical episode could be incorporated into the funds of identity concept in order to bring together both positive and negative experiences. The idea is that negative experiences can be harnessed positively by teachers if they are used to advance students' pedagogical or psychological development. Moreover, exploring both negative and positive experiences can also help the teacher to see the student as a complete human being and to engage with their lived experience rather than the teacher imposing their own lived experience (and deficit thinking) on the student. In so doing, teachers might also undergo a transformational experience by working through their own deficit thinking about minoritised learners.
That is the context of the article. I apologise if this introduction is a little wordy. I believe Moises will pick up the dialogue by commenting on an aspect of the paper for further discussion. However, if any one would like to engage with the article please feel free to get stuck in.
Cheers,
Adam
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From: Katherine Wester Neal <wester@uga.edu>
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Thanks again! I'd forgotten about the Babies movie, and yes, it's perfect for this course. Now I have lots of reading to do!
If a database of collected works becomes available, I'd be happy to post the syllabus. It's for an undergrad seminar course.
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From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu> on behalf of Alfredo Jornet Gil <a.j.gil@iped.uio.no>
Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2018 5:00:34 PM
To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: cultural constructions of childhood?
That was a great list of recommendations you got, Katie, I am glad.
Things are going slower than anticipated, but hopefully we will sooner than later have a web platform for collecting this type of resources, such as course syllabus, etc. in one place, so that next time someone looks for the same, they can find it immediately. Right now, is still possible to do searches using keywords in xmca: http://lchc.ucsd.edu/MCA/Mail/index.html but we are hoping this will be very much improved. ?
Cheers,
Alfredo
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Sent: 05 June 2018 22:12
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Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: cultural constructions of childhood?
Some resources here too:
<http://hraf.yale.edu/a-cross-cultural-perspective-on-childhood/>
Martin
On Jun 5, 2018, at 1:31 PM, Katherine Wester Neal <wester@uga.edu<mailto:wester@uga.edu>> wrote:
Yes, very helpful suggestions, and thank you! Potential article suggestions also welcome... :)
Katie Wester-Neal, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
Teacher Education & Literacy
Gordon State College
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From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu<mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu> <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu<mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>> on behalf of Jonathan Tudge <jrtudge@uncg.edu<mailto:jrtudge@uncg.edu>>
Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2018 2:24:18 PM
To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: cultural constructions of childhood?
Hi, Katie,
Here's another one that you might find interesting.
I, personally, think it's brilliant.
https://www.amazon.com/Everyday-Lives-Young-Children-Societies-ebook/dp/B00190VF0Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1528222902&sr=8-1&keywords=everyday+lives+of+young+children%3A+culture%2C+class+and+child+rearing
Cheers,
Jon
~~~~~~~~~~~
Jonathan Tudge
Professor
Office: 155 Stone
Our work on gratitude: http://morethanthanks.wp.uncg.edu/
A new book just published: Tudge, J. & Freitas, L. (Eds.) Developing gratitude in children and adolescents<https://www.uncg.edu/hdf/faculty/tudge/books/dev-gratitude-in-children-and-adolescents-flyer.pdf>, Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press
My web site:http://www.uncg.edu/hdf/faculty/tudge
Mailing address:
248 Stone Building
Department of Human Development and Family Studies
PO Box 26170
The University of North Carolina at Greensboro
Greensboro, NC 27402-6170
USA
phone (336) 223-6181
fax (336) 334-5076
On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 2:11 PM, Martin Packer <mpacker@cantab.net<mailto:mpacker@cantab.net>> wrote:
Katie, I believe that someone mentioned this? :)
<https://www.amazon.com/Child-Development-Understanding-Cultural-Perspective/dp/1473993377>
Martin
"I may say that whenever I meet Mrs. Seligman or Dr. Lowie or discuss matters with Radcliffe-Brown or Kroeber, I become at once aware that my partner does not understand anything in the matter, and I end usually with the feeling that this also applies to myself? (Malinowski, 1930)
On Jun 5, 2018, at 11:43 AM, Katherine Wester Neal <wester@uga.edu<mailto:wester@uga.edu>> wrote:
Hello xmca-ers,
Long time reader, rare contributor with a question for a course I'll be teaching soon. Besides Rogoff's Cultural Nature of Human Development, what else would you recommend in that vein? In the course, we will be exploring multiple constructions of childhood across different cultures.
Thanks for your help,
Katie
Katie Wester-Neal, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
Teacher Education & Literacy
Gordon State College
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From: Greg Thompson <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com>
Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: cultural constructions of childhood?
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
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Hopefully not too late, David Lancy's The Anthropology of Childhood:
Cherubs, Chattel, and Changelings has a nice sampling of childhoods across
multiple cultures.
Also, some classics from a Western historical perspective:
Joseph Kett's Rites of Passage: Adolescence in America 1790 to Present
Phillip Aries' Centuries of Childhood
And a sociological one that looked interesting:
https://books.google.co.kr/books?hl=en&lr=&id=q_EjCQAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PP1&dq=anthropology+and+the+construction+of+childhood&ots=EiPR30OMTA&sig=MUq_2SbvNv0MKZAx9DggFETLTi0#v=onepage&q=anthropology%20and%20the%20construction%20of%20childhood&f=false
And I came across this more accessible book while searching for the Kett
and thought it might be useful (I haven't read it and so can't vouch for
quality):
https://books.google.co.kr/books?hl=en&lr=&id=A19CDwAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PT7&dq=kett+history+of+childhood&ots=EJq_5BUBr4&sig=g_CvUkXGi32W18dhwKP-IZZecdI#v=onepage&q=kett%20history%20of%20childhood&f=false
Good luck!
-greg
On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Katherine Wester Neal <wester@uga.edu>
wrote:
> Thanks again! I'd forgotten about the * Babies* movie, and yes, it's
> perfect for this course. Now I have lots of reading to do!
>
>
> If a database of collected works becomes available, I'd be happy to post
> the syllabus. It's for an undergrad seminar course.
> ------------------------------
> *From:* xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> on behalf of Alfredo Jornet Gil <a.j.gil@iped.uio.no>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 5, 2018 5:00:34 PM
>
> *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: cultural constructions of childhood?
>
>
> That was a great list of recommendations you got, Katie, I am glad.
>
>
> Things are going slower than anticipated, but hopefully we will sooner
> than later have a web platform for collecting this type of resources, such
> as course syllabus, etc. in one place, so that next time someone looks for
> the same, they can find it immediately. Right now, is still possible to do
> searches using keywords in xmca: http://lchc.ucsd.edu/MCA/Mail/index.html but
> we are hoping this will be very much improved. ?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Alfredo
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> on behalf of Martin Packer <mpacker@cantab.net>
> *Sent:* 05 June 2018 22:12
> *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: cultural constructions of childhood?
>
> Some resources here too:
>
> <http://hraf.yale.edu/a-cross-cultural-perspective-on-childhood/>
>
> Martin
>
>
>
> On Jun 5, 2018, at 1:31 PM, Katherine Wester Neal <wester@uga.edu> wrote:
>
> Yes, very helpful suggestions, and thank you! Potential article
> suggestions also welcome... :)
>
> Katie Wester-Neal, Ph.D.
> Assistant Professor
> Teacher Education & Literacy
> Gordon State College
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> on behalf of Jonathan Tudge <jrtudge@uncg.edu>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 5, 2018 2:24:18 PM
> *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: cultural constructions of childhood?
>
> Hi, Katie,
>
> Here's another one that you might find interesting.
>
> I, personally, think it's brilliant.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Everyday-Lives-Young-Children-
> Societies-ebook/dp/B00190VF0Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=
> 1528222902&sr=8-1&keywords=everyday+lives+of+young+
> children%3A+culture%2C+class+and+child+rearing
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jon
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Jonathan Tudge
>
> Professor
> Office: 155 Stone
>
> Our work on gratitude: http://morethanthanks.wp.uncg.edu/
>
> A new book just published: Tudge, J. & Freitas, L. (Eds.) Developing
> gratitude in children and adolescents
> <https://www.uncg.edu/hdf/faculty/tudge/books/dev-gratitude-in-children-and-adolescents-flyer.pdf>,
> Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press
>
> My web site:http://www.uncg.edu/hdf/faculty/tudge
>
> Mailing address:
> 248 Stone Building
> Department of Human Development and Family Studies
> PO Box 26170
> The University of North Carolina at Greensboro
> Greensboro, NC 27402-6170
> USA
>
> phone (336) 223-6181
> fax (336) 334-5076
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 2:11 PM, Martin Packer <mpacker@cantab.net> wrote:
>
> Katie, I believe that someone mentioned this? :)
>
> <https://www.amazon.com/Child-Development-Understanding-Cult
> ural-Perspective/dp/1473993377>
>
> Martin
>
> *"I may say that whenever I meet Mrs. Seligman or Dr. Lowie or discuss
> matters with Radcliffe-Brown or Kroeber, I become at once aware that my
> partner does not understand anything in the matter, and I end usually with
> the feeling that this also applies to myself? (Malinowski, 1930)*
>
>
>
> On Jun 5, 2018, at 11:43 AM, Katherine Wester Neal <wester@uga.edu> wrote:
>
> Hello xmca-ers,
>
> Long time reader, rare contributor with a question for a course I'll be
> teaching soon. Besides Rogoff's *Cultural Nature of Human Development*,
> what else would you recommend in that vein? In the course, we will be
> exploring multiple constructions of childhood across different cultures.
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Katie
>
> Katie Wester-Neal, Ph.D.
> Assistant Professor
> Teacher Education & Literacy
> Gordon State College
>
>
>
>
>
--
Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
Department of Anthropology
880 Spencer W. Kimball Tower
Brigham Young University
Provo, UT 84602
WEBSITE: greg.a.thompson.byu.edu
http://byu.academia.edu/GregoryThompson
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From: Greg Thompson <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com>
Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: cultural constructions of childhood?
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and a few more on the anthropology front (in case you are still interested):
Bambi Chapin's *Childhood in a Sri Lankan Village* is very good. Gottlieb
and De Loache have a new *A World of Babies* edition out.
?And ?
Elise Berman
? has a book coming out at the end of January that does some good
theorizing of "age", including "childhood". The title of her book is:
*Talking Like Children: Language and the Production of Age in the Marshall
Islands.* Oxford University Press
On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 1:22 PM, Greg Thompson <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hopefully not too late, David Lancy's The Anthropology of Childhood:
> Cherubs, Chattel, and Changelings has a nice sampling of childhoods across
> multiple cultures.
>
> Also, some classics from a Western historical perspective:
> Joseph Kett's Rites of Passage: Adolescence in America 1790 to Present
> Phillip Aries' Centuries of Childhood
>
> And a sociological one that looked interesting:
> https://books.google.co.kr/books?hl=en&lr=&id=q_
> EjCQAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PP1&dq=anthropology+and+the+
> construction+of+childhood&ots=EiPR30OMTA&sig=MUq_
> 2SbvNv0MKZAx9DggFETLTi0#v=onepage&q=anthropology%20and%
> 20the%20construction%20of%20childhood&f=false
>
> And I came across this more accessible book while searching for the Kett
> and thought it might be useful (I haven't read it and so can't vouch for
> quality):
> https://books.google.co.kr/books?hl=en&lr=&id=
> A19CDwAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PT7&dq=kett+history+of+childhood&ots=
> EJq_5BUBr4&sig=g_CvUkXGi32W18dhwKP-IZZecdI#v=
> onepage&q=kett%20history%20of%20childhood&f=false
>
> Good luck!
> -greg
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Katherine Wester Neal <wester@uga.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks again! I'd forgotten about the * Babies* movie, and yes, it's
>> perfect for this course. Now I have lots of reading to do!
>>
>>
>> If a database of collected works becomes available, I'd be happy to post
>> the syllabus. It's for an undergrad seminar course.
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
>> on behalf of Alfredo Jornet Gil <a.j.gil@iped.uio.no>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 5, 2018 5:00:34 PM
>>
>> *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>> *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: cultural constructions of childhood?
>>
>>
>> That was a great list of recommendations you got, Katie, I am glad.
>>
>>
>> Things are going slower than anticipated, but hopefully we will sooner
>> than later have a web platform for collecting this type of resources, such
>> as course syllabus, etc. in one place, so that next time someone looks for
>> the same, they can find it immediately. Right now, is still possible to do
>> searches using keywords in xmca: http://lchc.ucsd.edu/MCA/Mail/index.html but
>> we are hoping this will be very much improved. ?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Alfredo
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
>> on behalf of Martin Packer <mpacker@cantab.net>
>> *Sent:* 05 June 2018 22:12
>> *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>> *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: cultural constructions of childhood?
>>
>> Some resources here too:
>>
>> <http://hraf.yale.edu/a-cross-cultural-perspective-on-childhood/>
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 5, 2018, at 1:31 PM, Katherine Wester Neal <wester@uga.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, very helpful suggestions, and thank you! Potential article
>> suggestions also welcome... :)
>>
>> Katie Wester-Neal, Ph.D.
>> Assistant Professor
>> Teacher Education & Literacy
>> Gordon State College
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
>> on behalf of Jonathan Tudge <jrtudge@uncg.edu>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 5, 2018 2:24:18 PM
>> *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>> *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: cultural constructions of childhood?
>>
>> Hi, Katie,
>>
>> Here's another one that you might find interesting.
>>
>> I, personally, think it's brilliant.
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Everyday-Lives-Young-Children-Societi
>> es-ebook/dp/B00190VF0Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1528222902&sr=
>> 8-1&keywords=everyday+lives+of+young+children%3A+culture%
>> 2C+class+and+child+rearing
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> Jonathan Tudge
>>
>> Professor
>> Office: 155 Stone
>>
>> Our work on gratitude: http://morethanthanks.wp.uncg.edu/
>>
>> A new book just published: Tudge, J. & Freitas, L. (Eds.) Developing
>> gratitude in children and adolescents
>> <https://www.uncg.edu/hdf/faculty/tudge/books/dev-gratitude-in-children-and-adolescents-flyer.pdf>,
>> Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press
>>
>> My web site:http://www.uncg.edu/hdf/faculty/tudge
>>
>> Mailing address:
>> 248 Stone Building
>> Department of Human Development and Family Studies
>> PO Box 26170
>> The University of North Carolina at Greensboro
>> Greensboro, NC 27402-6170
>> USA
>>
>> phone (336) 223-6181
>> fax (336) 334-5076
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 2:11 PM, Martin Packer <mpacker@cantab.net> wrote:
>>
>> Katie, I believe that someone mentioned this? :)
>>
>> <https://www.amazon.com/Child-Development-Understanding-Cult
>> ural-Perspective/dp/1473993377>
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> *"I may say that whenever I meet Mrs. Seligman or Dr. Lowie or discuss
>> matters with Radcliffe-Brown or Kroeber, I become at once aware that my
>> partner does not understand anything in the matter, and I end usually with
>> the feeling that this also applies to myself? (Malinowski, 1930)*
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 5, 2018, at 11:43 AM, Katherine Wester Neal <wester@uga.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello xmca-ers,
>>
>> Long time reader, rare contributor with a question for a course I'll be
>> teaching soon. Besides Rogoff's *Cultural Nature of Human Development*,
>> what else would you recommend in that vein? In the course, we will be
>> exploring multiple constructions of childhood across different cultures.
>>
>> Thanks for your help,
>> Katie
>>
>> Katie Wester-Neal, Ph.D.
>> Assistant Professor
>> Teacher Education & Literacy
>> Gordon State College
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
> Assistant Professor
> Department of Anthropology
> 880 Spencer W. Kimball Tower
> Brigham Young University
> Provo, UT 84602
> WEBSITE: greg.a.thompson.byu.edu
> http://byu.academia.edu/GregoryThompson
>
--
Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
Department of Anthropology
880 Spencer W. Kimball Tower
Brigham Young University
Provo, UT 84602
WEBSITE: greg.a.thompson.byu.edu
http://byu.academia.edu/GregoryThompson
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Subject: [Xmca-l] Necessities and Necessariness
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Andy has an amazing on-line discussion, going back almost exactly two
decades, on "Freedom as the Recognition of Necessity", which was Engels's
exaptation of a Heglian formulation (which in turn comes from Spinoza.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/txt/davie07.htm
As I understand it, Andy is arguing that freedom as the recognition of
necessity in Hegel and Spinoza is a kind of philosophical resignation to
one's fate, but in Marx and Vygotsky it is a kind of active realization of
one's own labor and hence one's own selfhood in the transformation of the
environment.
The Soviet model of Marxism is a negation of both of these. On the one
hand, externalization is active in nature, because it really involves
turning the tables on the environment and forcing it to adapt to human
necessities. And on the other hand it has very little room for "one's own
labor" and still less for "one's own selfhood": "One" is not a
statistically significant, hence not a necessary, number.
I think one way to reconcile this view with Andy's view is to make a
distinction between externalization as the recognition of the necessariness
of necessities, and externalization as the recognition of both one's own
necessariness and that of others. These seem to me to be two distinct
processes, belonging to two different stages of development (and to the
deveopment of tools on the one hand and signs on the other). But perhaps
"seem" is the word I should be stressing.
(In the article linked below, which I did with my wife, there is this four
year old girl who is trying to learn the times tables. She keeps getting
stuck: Why can't you just put three and five together and get thirty five?
Her grandmother is old school: your solution counts for nothing: Your
presumed necessariness is not as important as instrumental necessity. And
of course at one stage of development that is true; but "sustainable
development" is everywhere and always a contradiction in terms: no
development can ever sustain itself against itself.)
David Kellogg
Sangmyung University
New in *Early Years*, co-authored with Fang Li:
When three fives are thirty-five: Vygotsky in a Hallidayan idiom ? and
maths in the grandmother tongue
Some free e-prints available at:
https://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/7I8zYW3qkEqNBA66XAwS/full
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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2018 12:00:59 +1000
From: Andy Blunden <andyb@marxists.org>
Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Necessities and Necessariness
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David,
The text you have discovered is indeed 20 years old. At that
time I knew nothing about Hegel, and nor could I find anyone
to learn from, and there were very few philosophical texts
available on the nascent internet. So I started copy-typing
Hegel texts on to my web site and encouraging people to
discuss them. This was my own do-it-yourself university. And
I have preserved this old discussion in case they are of use
to others.
Now, the text you discovered is written *all* by my old
friend Davie MacLean, who was in those days a big fan of
Heidegger but an avid student of all philosophy. The first
part is addressed to me and the second part copied from a
letter from Davie to Cyril Smith, my star participant in
that discussion. Davie and I were both enthralled with
Cyril's new book, "Marx at the Millennium" and Cyril's
participation was an attractor for people to join in the
discussion.
Here are some messages from Cyril to give you context:
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/txt/cyril25.htm
Much as I enjoyed my debates with Davie, I did not emerge
from them as a fan of Heidegger. During the past 6 months I
have been spending a lot of time studying Hegel's Philosophy
of Right. I certainly do not see the question, and nor did
Hegel, in terms of "reconciliation to one's fate," which is
indeed much closer to Spinoza's view.
Andy
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Andy Blunden
http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
On 9/06/2018 8:00 AM, David Kellogg wrote:
> Andy has an amazing on-line discussion, going back almost
> exactly two decades, on "Freedom as the Recognition of
> Necessity", which was Engels's exaptation of a Heglian
> formulation (which in turn comes from Spinoza.
>
> https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/txt/davie07.htm
>
> As I understand it, Andy is arguing that freedom as the
> recognition of necessity in Hegel and Spinoza is a kind of
> philosophical resignation to one's fate, but in Marx and
> Vygotsky it is a kind of active realization of one's own
> labor and hence one's own selfhood in the transformation
> of the environment.
>
> The Soviet model of Marxism is a negation of both of
> these. On the one hand, externalization is active in
> nature, because it really involves turning the tables on
> the environment and forcing it to adapt to human
> necessities. And on the other hand it has very little room
> for "one's own labor" and still less for "one's own
> selfhood": "One" is not a statistically significant, hence
> not a necessary, number.
>
> I think one way to reconcile this view with Andy's view is
> to make a distinction between externalization as the
> recognition of the necessariness of necessities, and
> externalization as the recognition of both one's own
> necessariness and that of others. These seem to me to be
> two distinct processes, belonging to two different stages
> of development (and to the deveopment of tools on the one
> hand and signs on the other). But perhaps "seem" is the
> word I should be stressing.
>
> (In the article linked below, which I did with my
> wife, there is this four year old girl who is trying to
> learn the times tables. She keeps getting stuck: Why can't
> you just put three and five together and get thirty five?
> Her grandmother is old school: your solution counts for
> nothing: Your presumed necessariness is not as important
> as instrumental necessity. And of course at one stage of
> development that is true; but "sustainable development" is
> everywhere and always a contradiction in terms: no
> development can ever sustain itself against itself.)
>
> David Kellogg
> Sangmyung University
>
> New in /Early Years/, co-authored with Fang Li:
>
> When three fives are thirty-five: Vygotsky in a Hallidayan
> idiom ? and maths in the grandmother tongue
>
> Some free e-prints available at:
>
> https://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/7I8zYW3qkEqNBA66XAwS/full
>
>
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2018 06:48:18 +0000
From: Alfredo Jornet Gil <a.j.gil@iped.uio.no>
Subject: [Xmca-l] Resituating Funds of Identity
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
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Dear all,
it's been a quiet period here in xmca lately, partly, ?I am afraid, due to my failure to initiate or follow up the otherwis?e many and insightful conversations that characterise the list during this end of semester. But I am back with an invitation that I hope you will find interesting and, hopefully, worth participating in.
I am attaching an article included in our Issue 2, for discussion here at xmca, but in a slightly new format.
The article is entitled ??Resituating Funds of Identity Within Contemporary Interpretations of Perezhivanie, ?by Adam Poole and Jingyi Huang. Extending conceptualisations of funds of knowledge and funds of identity by means of drawing a connection with the concept perezhivanie, the authors present the idea of *existential* funds of identity. What makes interesting this latter concept is that, by contrast to a most frequent sole focus on positive community resources as constituting those funds of knowledge/activity, Poole and Huang propose exploring how not only positive, but also negative, life-changing experiences may become a potential resource for individual/collective activity.
Usually, we invite the author to discuss with us her/his article. This time, we have also invited a discussant with extensive experience in the field of funds of knowledge. Thus, Adam Poole, as first author of the study, will be with us, sharing his views, motives, and challenges in developing the study. As discussant, we will have Moises Esteban-Guitart, who has kindly agreed to initiate the discussion and engage in what promises to be an exciting and constructive dialogue. They will be joining us soon, and we have also identified a list of scholars interested in similar issues that may be chiming in as we move on. In the meantime, I hope that many of you will get the chance to have a look at this interesting article and find it worth discussing. And of course, as always, everyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion.
Looking forward to an engaging discussion,
Alfredo
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