[Xmca-l] Re: If economics is immune from ethics, why should exploitation be a topic of discussion in economics?

[Raquel Guzzo]

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thank you Andy for this important point

R


Em 7/19/18 12:04, Andy Blunden escreveu:
>
> Here's Lenin's Ethics: 
> https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1920/oct/02.htm
>
> Andy
>
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> Andy Blunden
> http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
> On 20/07/2018 12:56 AM, Ulvi İçil wrote:
>> Andy, what about Lenin in this issue?
>>
>> Ulvi
>>
>> 18 Tem 2018 Çar 08:19 tarihinde Andy Blunden <andyb@marxists.org> 
>> şunu yazdı:
>>
>>     Harshad,
>>
>>     According to Marx, "exploitation," as he uses the concept in
>>     /Capital/, is not an ethical concept at all; it simply means
>>     making a gain by utilising an affordance, as in "exploiting
>>     natural resources." Many "Marxist economists" today adhere to
>>     this view. However, I am one of those that hold a different view.
>>     And the legacy of Stalinism is evidence of some deficit in the
>>     legacy of Marx's writing - it was so easy for Stalin to dismiss
>>     ethics as just so much nonsense and claim the mantel of Marxism!
>>
>>     Much as I admire Marx, he was wrong on Ethics. He was a creature
>>     of his times in this respect, or rather in endeavouring to /not/
>>     be a creature of his times, he made an opposite error. He held
>>     all ethics in contempt as if religion had a monopoly on this
>>     topic, and it were nothing more than some kind of confidence
>>     trick to fool the masses. (Many today share this view.) In fact,
>>     contrary to his own self-consciousness, /Capital/ is a seminal
>>     work of ethics.
>>
>>     The problem stems from Hegel and from Marx's efforts to make a
>>     positive critique of Hegel. As fine a work of Ethics as Hegel's
>>     /Philosophy of Right/ is, it had certain problems which Marx had
>>     to overcome. These included Hegel's insistence that the state
>>     alone could determine right and wrong (the state could of course
>>     make errors, but in the long run there is no extramundane source
>>     of Right beyond the state). This was something impossible for
>>     Marx to accept. And yet Hegel's idea of Ethics as something
>>     objective, contained in the evolving forms of life (rather than
>>     Pure Reason inherent in every individual as Kant held, or from
>>     God via His agents on Earth, the priesthood), Marx wished to
>>     embrace and continue.
>>
>>     So the situation is very complex. The foremost work on Ethics was
>>     authored by a person who did not believe they wrote about Ethics
>>     at all.
>>
>>     Here is a page with lots of resources on this question:
>>     https://www.marxists.org/subject/ethics/index.htm
>>
>>     Andy
>>
>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     Andy Blunden
>>     http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
>>     On 18/07/2018 2:54 PM, Harshad Dave wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>       Why do we discuss on exploitation?
>>>
>>>     As per Marx's views, ethics has no influence on economic
>>>     processes. Does exploitation have no link with ethical feelings?
>>>     The sense of exploitation is absolutely linked with our ethical
>>>     feelings. If economics is immune from influence of ethics and
>>>     sense of /*exploitation*/ is founded on our ethical evaluation,
>>>     then discussion on/*exploitation*/should not find place in the
>>>     topics of economics/political economics.
>>>     Harshad Dave
>>>     hhdave15@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     Harshad Dave
>>>     ​hhdave15@gmail.com​
>>>
>>
>

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