[Xmca-l] Re: Fwd: Text

[Jonathan Tudge]

Yes, Martin, there always is culture within the microsystem--it's the only
place in which culture is experienced.  Microsystems are always embedded
within culture (I'd add always within multiple cultures, but I don't think
that Urie ever wrote that).

Cheers,

Jon


~~~~~~~~~~~

Jonathan Tudge

Professor
Office: 155 Stone

Our work on gratitude: http://morethanthanks.wp.uncg.edu/

A new book just published: Tudge, J. & Freitas, L. (Eds.) Developing
gratitude in children and adolescents
<https://www.uncg.edu/hdf/faculty/tudge/books/dev-gratitude-in-children-and-adolescents-flyer.pdf>,
Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press

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Mailing address:
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On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 7:10 PM, Martin Packer <mpacker@cantab.net> wrote:

> Wow, very graphic!  At first I thought my microsystem had exploded!  :)
>
> The 20,000 dollar question for me has always been, why is culture in the
> macrosystem? Is there no culture in my here-&-now interactions with other
> people? (Well, perhaps in my case not!)
>
> Martin
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 29, 2018, at 6:34 PM, Jonathan Tudge <jrtudge@uncg.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Greetings, Martin,
> >
> > I hope that this works (taken from a powerpoint presentation).
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > Jonathan Tudge
> >
> > Professor
> > Office: 155 Stone
> >
> > Our work on gratitude: http://morethanthanks.wp.uncg.edu/
> >
> > A new book just published: Tudge, J. & Freitas, L. (Eds.) Developing
> > gratitude in children and adolescents
> > <https://www.uncg.edu/hdf/faculty/tudge/books/dev-
> gratitude-in-children-and-adolescents-flyer.pdf>,
> > Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press
> >
> > My web site:http://www.uncg.edu/hdf/faculty/tudge
> >
> > Mailing address:
> > 248 Stone Building
> > Department of Human Development and Family Studies
> > PO Box 26170
> > The University of North Carolina at Greensboro
> > Greensboro, NC 27402-6170
> > USA
> >
> > phone (336) 223-6181
> > fax   (336) 334-5076
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 6:22 PM, Martin Packer <mpacker@cantab.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Jon,
> >>
> >> Would it be possible for you to post here the figure you mentioned in
> your
> >> message, page 69 of your book?
> >>
> >> Martin
> >>
> >> "I may say that whenever I meet Mrs. Seligman or Dr. Lowie or discuss
> >> matters with Radcliffe-Brown or Kroeber, I become at once aware that my
> >> partner does not understand anything in the matter, and I end usually
> with
> >> the feeling that this also applies to myself” (Malinowski, 1930)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jan 29, 2018, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Tudge <jrtudge@uncg.edu> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi, Mike,
> >>>
> >>> There are a couple of problems with the 2005 book.  One is that the
> >> papers
> >>> are drawn from UB's writings from the 1970s to the early part of this
> >>> century.  As is true of Vygotsky's writings (and probably any theorist
> >> who
> >>> wrote over a significant span of time) it's really important to know
> the
> >>> date of publication.  The other problem is that at least one of the
> >>> chapters is incomplete, and there are errors in at least one other.
> >>>
> >>> As for the concentric circles or the matrioshka--they're both excellent
> >>> examples of how powerful metaphors can go powerfully wrong!  Both are
> >>> utterly misleading, in that they really focus attention on the
> different
> >>> layers of context (and even then don't make sense--the mesosystem
> >> consists
> >>> of overlapping circles, as in a Venn diagram).  Nonetheless, you're
> >>> right--UB continued to use the metaphor in his final publications.
> >>>
> >>> However, his theory really developed a lot from the 1970s onwards (see
> >> Rosa
> >>> and Tudge, 2013; Tudge, 2013), and from the early 1990s onwards
> "proximal
> >>> processes" were the centerpiece of his Process-Person-Context-Time
> (PPCT)
> >>> model.  These are essentially the everyday activities in which
> developing
> >>> people engage, and they always and only occur in microsystems.
> However,
> >>> what goes on in microsystems is always influenced by (a) the person
> >>> characteristics of the developing individuals of interest and those of
> >> the
> >>> others with whom they interact, (b) the characteristics of the context,
> >>> both proximal (as in the nature of the microsystem in which those
> >>> activities are occurring) and distal (the macrosystem, which for him
> was
> >>> culture, whether considered at the level of society or within-society
> >>> cultural groups), and (c) time, which includes both the need to study
> >> over
> >>> time (longitudinally) and in time (the prevailing social, economic, and
> >>> political climate).    A graphic representation that better reflects
> his
> >>> developed position than the concentric circles can be found in Tudge
> >>> (2008), on page 69.
> >>>
> >>> I actually think that he rather dropped the ball on culture,
> >>> unfortunately.  I really like his writings on this in his 1979 book and
> >> in
> >>> his 1989 (or 1992) chapter on ecological systems theory.  Reading his
> >> 1998
> >>> (or 2006) handbook chapters you'll find virtually no mention of the
> >> impact
> >>> of culture (or macrosystem) despite drawing on Steinberg et al.'s
> >> research
> >>> on adolescents from different racial/ethnic groups.
> >>>
> >>> Don't feel bad, though, if you have always just thought of
> >> Bronfenbrenner's
> >>> theory as one of concentric circles of context--you're no different in
> >> that
> >>> regard from just about everyone who has published an undergrad textbook
> >> on
> >>> human development, not to mention a majority of scholars who have said
> >> that
> >>> they've used UB's theory as foundational for their research (see Tudge
> et
> >>> al., 2009, 2016).
> >>>
> >>> If anyone would like a copy of any of these papers, just send me a
> >> private
> >>> message to jrtudge@uncg.edu
> >>>
> >>>  - Tudge, J. R. H. (2008). *The everyday lives of young children:
> >>>  Culture, class, and child rearing in diverse societies.* New York:
> >>>  Cambridge University Press.
> >>>  - Tudge, J. R. H., Mokrova, I., Hatfield, B., & Karnik, R. B. (2009).
> >>>  Uses and misuses of Bronfenbrenner’s bioecological theory of human
> >>>  development. *Journal of Family Theory and Review, 1*(4), 198-210.
> >>>  - Rosa, E. M., & Tudge, J. R. H. (2013). Urie Bronfenbrenner’s theory
> >> of
> >>>  human development: Its evolution from ecology to bioecology. *Journal
> >> of
> >>>  Family Theory and Review, 5*(6), 243–258. DOI:10.1111/jftr.12022
> >>>  - Tudge, J. R. H. (2013). Urie Bronfenbrenner. In Heather Montgomery
> >>>  (Ed.), *Oxford bibliographies on line: Childhood studies*. New York:
> >>>  Oxford University Press.
> >>>  - Tudge, J. R. H., Payir, A., Merçon-Vargas, E. A., Cao, H., Liang,
> Y.,
> >>>  Li, J., & O’Brien, L. T. (2016). Still misused after all these years?
> A
> >>>  re-evaluation of the uses of Bronfenbrenner’s bioecological theory of
> >> human
> >>>  development. *Journal of Family Theory and Review*, *8,* 427–445. doi:
> >>>  10.1111/jftr.12165.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>
> >>> Jon
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>>
> >>> Jonathan Tudge
> >>>
> >>> Professor
> >>> Office: 155 Stone
> >>>
> >>> Our work on gratitude: http://morethanthanks.wp.uncg.edu/
> >>>
> >>> A new book just published: Tudge, J. & Freitas, L. (Eds.) Developing
> >>> gratitude in children and adolescents
> >>> <https://www.uncg.edu/hdf/faculty/tudge/books/dev-
> >> gratitude-in-children-and-adolescents-flyer.pdf>,
> >>> Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press
> >>>
> >>> My web site:http://www.uncg.edu/hdf/faculty/tudge
> >>>
> >>> Mailing address:
> >>> 248 Stone Building
> >>> Department of Human Development and Family Studies
> >>> PO Box 26170
> >>> The University of North Carolina at Greensboro
> >>> Greensboro, NC 27402-6170
> >>> USA
> >>>
> >>> phone (336) 223-6181
> >>> fax   (336) 334-5076
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 6:20 PM, mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Jon --
> >>>>
> >>>> Nice to see your voice!
> >>>>
> >>>> I only have Urie's 2005 collection, *Making Human Beings Human, *to
> >> hand. I
> >>>> checked it out
> >>>> to see if the terms activity and context appeared there. Only sort of!
> >>>> Activity is in the index, but context is not (!). I attach two pages
> >> from
> >>>> the book for those interested (and able to read my amateur
> >>>> photos). Here it seems that activity and context coincide at the micro
> >>>> level, but perhaps only there?
> >>>>
> >>>> Concerning embedded circles and context. It turns out that the person
> >> who
> >>>> induced Sheila and me to write a textbook on human development was U.
> >>>> Bronfenbrenner. And this same U.B. discussed with us how to represent
> >> his
> >>>> perspective circa 1985, pretty early in the task of writing the first
> >>>> edition. His use of matroshki (embedded dolls) as a metaphor and his
> >>>> rhetoric at the time (and in 2005 as well) invites
> >>>> a concentric circles representation. We discussed other ways of trying
> >> to
> >>>> represent the idea and he
> >>>> said that our representation came as close as he could figure out.
> >>>>
> >>>> In the 2005 book he refers to my work as combining a Vygotskian notion
> >> of
> >>>> context with an anthropological one (p. 126), and uses the term
> >> "ecological
> >>>> context." I assume that most of my Russian colleagues would argue that
> >> LSV
> >>>> used the concept of "social situation of development," not context. I
> >> have
> >>>> no idea how he would respond to Yrjo's declaration that the activity
> is
> >> the
> >>>> context, but it does not seem too far off from what is written on the
> >> pages
> >>>> attached.
> >>>>
> >>>> Perhaps someone on xmca who is skilled at searching texts in cyrillic
> >> could
> >>>> search for his use of the term, context. I have always been curious
> >> about
> >>>> what such a search would turn up, but lack the skill
> >>>> to carry out the query.
> >>>>
> >>>> And perhaps you have written something about the mistake of
> interpreting
> >>>> U.B.'s notion of contexts using embedded circles we could learn from??
> >>>> Certainly the passages on p. 46 remind me of the work of Hedegaard and
> >>>> Fleer, who also draw upon U.B.
> >>>>
> >>>> mike
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
> > <PPCT (Tudge, 2008, p. 69).pptx>
>
>