[Xmca-l] Re: kinship

Sun Jan 7 15:42:09 PST 2018

Hi Michael. Yes, I meant the plants. And I know that only humans produce definition. In my clumsy way, I was trying to ask what definition of ‘family’ you were employing when you stated that plants form families.

Martin

"I may say that whenever I meet Mrs. Seligman or Dr. Lowie or discuss matters with Radcliffe-Brown or Kroeber, I become at once aware that my partner does not understand anything in the matter, and I end usually with the feeling that this also applies to myself” (Malinowski, 1930)

> On Jan 7, 2018, at 6:34 PM, Wolff-Michael Roth <wolffmichael.roth@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Martin, I looked up the etymologies in English, French and German. All
> point to the Latin origin of family and familiar and the tie of the latter
> to the former.
> 
> The Russian and Polish translation point to different words.
> 
> Not my definition.
> 
> If you mean the plants...only humans produce definitions... you then might
> be interested in Dewey and Bateson on natural situations and human
> descriptions
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
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> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 3:28 PM, Martin Packer <mpacker@cantab.net> wrote:
> 
>> By your definition or theirs, Michael?
>> 
>> Martin
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 7, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Wolff-Michael Roth <
>> wolffmichael.roth@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> but plants form families, too
>>> 
>>> the familiar is linked to family apparently in languages that have
>> adopted
>>> the term from Latin, but not languages as Polish or Russian
>>> 
>>> Michael
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Wolff-Michael Roth, Lansdowne Professor
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> --------------------
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>>> MacLaurin Building A567
>>> University of Victoria
>>> Victoria, BC, V8P 5C2
>>> http://web.uvic.ca/~mroth <http://education2.uvic.ca/faculty/mroth/>
>>> 
>>> New book: *The Mathematics of Mathematics
>>> <https://www.sensepublishers.com/catalogs/bookseries/new-
>> directions-in-mathematics-and-science-education/the-
>> mathematics-of-mathematics/>*
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 2:49 PM, Martin Packer <mpacker@cantab.net>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> So James,
>>>> 
>>>> Could a childless couple in China be called a family?
>>>> 
>>>> Or would they need to have a pig?  :)
>>>> 
>>>> To all: In English we don’t call a childless couple a family, do we?
>>>> 
>>>> Martin
>>>> 
>>>> "I may say that whenever I meet Mrs. Seligman or Dr. Lowie or discuss
>>>> matters with Radcliffe-Brown or Kroeber, I become at once aware that my
>>>> partner does not understand anything in the matter, and I end usually
>> with
>>>> the feeling that this also applies to myself” (Malinowski, 1930)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 7, 2018, at 5:45 PM, James Ma <jamesma320@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Just to add an etymological aspect that you might be interested to know
>>>>> (this is because Chines is logographical).
>>>>> 
>>>>> According to the Chinese Oracle, family 家 has two parts: the upper
>>>>> part 宀 refers
>>>>> to "room"; the lower part 豕 refers to "pig". In the ancient times,
>> people
>>>>> raised pigs in their houses, so having pigs in a house was a hallmark
>> of
>>>>> living. In modern Chinese, family also indicates "relationship", e.g.
>>>> 亲如一家
>>>>> as close as a family.
>>>>> 
>>>>> James
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> *_____________________________________*
>>>>> 
>>>>> *James Ma*  *https://oxford.academia.edu/JamesMa
>>>>> <https://oxford.academia.edu/JamesMa>   *
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 7 January 2018 at 21:30, David Kellogg <dkellogg60@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> In Chinese and in Korean, the word "family" is related to housing
>> rather
>>>>>> than to kinship. In European languages it is the other way around.
>> This
>>>>>> does suggest something semantic, no?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> David Kellogg
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Recent Article in *Mind, Culture, and Activity* 24 (4) 'Metaphoric,
>>>>>> Metonymic, Eclectic, or Dialectic? A Commentary on “Neoformation: A
>>>>>> Dialectical Approach to Developmental Change”'
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Free e-print available (for a short time only) at
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/YAWPBtmPM8knMCNg6sS6/full
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 6:22 AM, Greg Thompson <
>>>> greg.a.thompson@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Martin,
>>>>>>> Well that is a difficult question to answer without knowing what you
>>>> mean
>>>>>>> by "family"?
>>>>>>> What in the world do you mean by "family"?
>>>>>>> -greg
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Martin Packer <mpacker@cantab.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I am struggling with the way ‘family’ and ‘kinship’ have been
>> defined,
>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> not defined, in psychology and anthropology. One question that has
>>>>>>> occurred
>>>>>>>> to me is whether a word equivalent to ‘family’ exists in every
>>>>>> language.
>>>>>>>> When I Google this, Google responds ‘Ask Siri’…  :(
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Anyone have an idea?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>> Assistant Professor
>>>>>>> Department of Anthropology
>>>>>>> 880 Spencer W. Kimball Tower
>>>>>>> Brigham Young University
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>>>>>>> WEBSITE: greg.a.thompson.byu.edu
>>>>>>> http://byu.academia.edu/GregoryThompson
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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