[Xmca-l] Saussure vs Peirce

[Andy Blunden]

Getting to your first topic, now, James ...

I think it is inescapable for any of us, in everyday 
interactions, to "default" to the Saussurian way of seeing 
things, that is to say, signs as pointing to objects, in a 
structure of differences, abstracted from historical 
development. The structural view always gives us certain 
insights which can be invisible otherwise. But like a lot of 
things, in making this point, Saussure set up this dichotomy 
with himself on one side and condemned half a century of his 
followers in Structuralism to a one-sided view of the world 
... which made the poststructuralists look like geniuses of 
course, when they stepped outside this cage

What do you  think?

Andy

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Andy Blunden
http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
On 21/12/2018 7:56 am, James Ma wrote:
>
> Andy, thank you for your message. Just to make a few 
> brief points, linking with some of your comments:
>
> First, I have a default sense of signs based on Saussurean 
> linguistics (semiology); however, I don't think I 
> "strangely leap from Peirce's semiotics to Saussure's 
> semiology".  When I read Peirce and Vygotsky on signs, I 
> often have a Saussurean imagery present in my mind.  As I 
> see it, Saussurean semiology is foundational to all 
> language studies, such as the evolution of language in 
> terms of e.g. semantic drift and narrowing.  Speaking more 
> broadly, in my view, both synchronic and diachronic 
> approach to language have relevance for CHAT.  Above all, 
> /a priori /hermeneutic methodology can benefit further 
> development of semiotic methodology within CHAT, helping 
> us to come to grips with what Max Fisch, the key Peircean 
> exponent, referred to as "the most essential point", i.e. 
> the tripartite of thought as semiosis, namely 
> sign-interpretation or sign action.  For example, how sign 
> action might be implicated in culture and consciousness.
>
>
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