[Xmca-l] Re: Bacon's Law

[Andy Blunden]

Yes, I think on the balance of evidence you are right,
David, and I inserted a footnote to this effect. Thank you
very much for the suggestion. Thank you also for picking up
that typo. I am still proofing and correcting it.

Andy

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Andy Blunden
http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
On 22/08/2018 7:16 AM, David Kellogg wrote:
> Andy:
>
> In the chapter you have up on the marxists.org
> <http://marxists.org> website, Bacon is cited three times.
> Seven paragraphs from the end is:
>
> "Man is part of nature, his behavior is a natural process,
> and controlling it forms like all control of nature,
> according to Macon’s principle that “nature is overcome by
> subjection.” Not in vain does Bacon place control of
> nature and control of intellect in one order; he says that
> the bare hand and the mind taken in themselves do not mean
> much – the deed is done with tools and auxiliary means."
>
> "Macon" is obviously a transcription error. So the
> question is whether "Macon's principle" refers to the same
> thing as Bacon's law in the nineteenth paragraph. The
> Russian term for the nineteenth paragraph is правилу Ф.
> Бэкона which could be "law" or "rule" or "principle" or
> "precept", i.e. aphorism. "Macon's principle" is "принципу
> Бэкона", i.e. the "principle"or "aphorism" of Bacon.
>
> In the Notebooks, the reference you want is p. 117, an
> entry dated April 3, 1928. Vygotsky refers to it as his
> "epigraph". Zavershneva and Van der Veer footnote it as
> "one of Vygotsky's favorite quotes". But of course there
> is another quote from Bacon that Vygotsky cites in
> Thinking and Speech, Chapter 2, p. 76:
>
> "(PIaget) forgets Bacon’s familiar argument that true
> knowledge is knowledge which traces a process back to its
> cause’"
>
> As David says, take your pick!
>
> dk
>
> David Kellogg
> Sangmyung University
>
> New in /Early Years/, co-authored with Fang Li:
>
> When three fives are thirty-five: Vygotsky in a Hallidayan
> idiom … and maths in the grandmother tongue 
>
> Some free e-prints available at:
>
> https://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/7I8zYW3qkEqNBA66XAwS/full
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 10:07 PM, WEBSTER, DAVID S.
> <d.s.webster@durham.ac.uk
> <mailto:d.s.webster@durham.ac.uk>> wrote:
>
>     My copy runs ‘Nature cannot be commanded…’ take your pick
>
>      
>
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>     [mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
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>     Of *David Kellogg
>     *Sent:* 21 August 2018 11:44
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>     <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>>
>     *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: Bacon's Law
>
>      
>
>     Natura non vincitur nisi parendo” (Nature cannot be
>     vanquished until she is obeyed). is Aphorism 3 of Book
>     1 of Novum Organum Scientiarum. Vygotsky was impressed
>     by this aphorism and wanted to use it as the epigraph
>     for a book on the history of the cultural development
>     of the child, which later became The History of the
>     Development of the Higher Mental Functions.
>
>      
>
>
>     David Kellogg
>
>     Sangmyung University
>
>      
>
>     New in /Early Years/, co-authored with Fang Li:
>
>      
>
>     When three fives are thirty-five: Vygotsky in a
>     Hallidayan idiom … and maths in the grandmother tongue 
>
>      
>
>     Some free e-prints available at:
>
>      
>
>     https://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/7I8zYW3qkEqNBA66XAwS/full
>     <https://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/7I8zYW3qkEqNBA66XAwS/full>
>
>      
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>      
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>      
>
>     On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 7:19 PM, Ulvi İçil
>     <ulvi.icil@gmail.com <mailto:ulvi.icil@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         There should be some sentences by Bacon about
>         theory and practice saying something how he
>         conceives theory and how "by a sloping path"
>         practice becomes conceived. 
>
>         Anyone remembering or knowing it please?
>
>          
>
>         Ulvi
>
>          
>
>         21 Ağu 2018 11:23 AM tarihinde "Andy Blunden"
>         <andyb@marxists.org <mailto:andyb@marxists.org>>
>         yazdı:
>
>             In
>             https://www.marxists.org/archive/vygotsky/works/1931/self-control.htm
>             <https://www.marxists.org/archive/vygotsky/works/1931/self-control.htm>,
>             Vygotsky refers to "Bacon's Law." Maybe one
>             can guess from this and the other reference to
>             Bacon what Vygotsky means by "Bacon's Law,"
>             but is there anyone who can actually give me
>             the source in Bacon?
>
>             Andy
>
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>             Andy Blunden
>             http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
>             <http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm>
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