[Xmca-l] Re: job-CSU Sacramento

Wed Oct 18 11:58:00 PDT 2017

let me try again    

Kris D. Gutiérrez
Carol Liu Professor 
Graduate School of Education
Prolepsis Design Collaborative
University of California, Berkeley
5629 Tolman Hall
Berkeley, CA 94720-1670
gutierrkd@berkeley.edu

> On Oct 18, 2017, at 11:28 AM, Alfredo Jornet Gil <a.j.gil@iped.uio.no> wrote:
> 
> Thanks so much for your willingness to share, Kris. I think the attachment did not come through though,
> Alfredo
> ________________________________________
> From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu> on behalf of Kris Gutierrez <gutierkd@gmail.com>
> Sent: 18 October 2017 20:21
> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: job-CSU Sacramento
> 
> Mike/Julian thanks!  Here is the piece, Alfredo.  Agree with the points Julian and Lynda made. I think the 2002 article is still relevant but perhaps old news to this community.  Attaching as requested.
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> Some context relevant to the article: I had the real pleasure of co-designing and co-teaching the qualitative research courses strand for many years with Fred Erickson, a wise voice in these matters. We were both housed in the Social Research Methodology program at UCLA where the quant/qual discourse/debate was challenged in the overall program, in courses, and in our own training and work—no divisions encouraged or closing of doors, as Julian wrote.
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> (I’m currently teaching a course in Advanced Qualitative Methods here at Cal and will encourage students to view/engage this conversation.)  Kris
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> Kris D. Gutiérrez
> Carol Liu Professor
> Graduate School of Education
> Prolepsis Design Collaborative
> University of California, Berkeley
> 5629 Tolman Hall
> Berkeley, CA 94720-1670
> gutierrkd@berkeley.edu
> 
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> 
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>> On Oct 18, 2017, at 9:00 AM, mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Not my pint, Kris... Julian’s.
>> Why not send around your paper?
>> Mike
>> 
>> On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 8:40 AM Kris Gutierrez <gutierkd@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Apropos your comment Mike,  Fred Erickson and I wrote a relevant piece
>>> entitled “Culture and Rigor” (Ed Researcher, 2002) that aligns with your
>>> point.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 18, 2017, at 8:22 AM, mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Julian & Huw-
>>>> 
>>>> This seems just right to me:
>>>> 
>>>> Every quantitative analysis/result demands a qualitative
>>>> framework/interpretation; and almost all, or anyway more than we think
>>>> qualitative research opens the possibility of quantitative models.
>>>> 
>>>> And its interesting to think of quality as a "measure" of systems
>>>> properties. Sounds positively quantitative!
>>>> 
>>>> mike
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 12:59 AM, Julian Williams <
>>>> julian.williams@manchester.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Lynda
>>>>> 
>>>>> Just to say for the list that I appreciate your need for qualitative
>>>>> expertise, especially in a culture where perhaps 'quantitative
>>> researchers'
>>>>> dominate (here its the opposite: we have a struggle to keep some
>>>>> quantitative courses on our training programmes).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Innumerate/illiterate may sound unkind and if so I apologise: no offence
>>>>> meant.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I still sigh at the term 'qualitative researcher' and even more
>>>>> 'quantitative researcher', which seems often to imply a specialism and
>>> even
>>>>> a closing of doors to new work. Every quantitative analysis/result
>>> demands
>>>>> a qualitative framework/interpretation; and almost all, or anyway more
>>> than
>>>>> we think qualitative research opens the possibility of quantitative
>>> models.
>>>>> If a research identity is bound up with the division we close doors.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Julian
>>>>> 
>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>> From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu [xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu]
>>>>> on behalf of Kris Gutierrez [gutierkd@gmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: 18 October 2017 04:53
>>>>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>>>>> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: job-CSU Sacramento
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well said, Lynda!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kris D. Gutiérrez
>>>>> Carol Liu Professor
>>>>> Graduate School of Education
>>>>> Prolepsis Design Collaborative
>>>>> University of California, Berkeley
>>>>> 5629 Tolman Hall
>>>>> Berkeley, CA 94720-1670
>>>>> gutierrkd@berkeley.edu
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 17, 2017, at 8:30 PM, Stone, Lynda <lstone@skymail.csus.edu>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi again Julian‹just saw this response.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> There was a reason for the qualitative emphasis and it had more to do
>>>>> with
>>>>>> competencies with
>>>>>> qualitative rather than lack of quantitative methodological knowledge‹I
>>>>> am
>>>>>> assuming folks would have both.
>>>>>> However, I have discovered that those who attain there PhD¹s here in
>>>>>> traditional human development programs (at least those who
>>>>>> apply for our positions) often have only a superficial knowledge of
>>>>>> qualitative research and no experience with it, as this is the case
>>>>>> with many of our faculty who are well trained to do laboratory
>>> research‹-
>>>>>> The best approach, of course, is to generate an interesting research
>>>>>> question and then utilize whatever methods are appropriate for this
>>>>>> question. So the emphasis in the job call was to meet programmatic
>>> needs.
>>>>>> I hope this helps you understand why ³qualitative² was placed in the
>>>>>> requirement‹ My guess is that degrees in human development in your
>>>>>> setting might offer course work and practical experience in both
>>> methods,
>>>>>> as did my training.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> -lynda
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Lynda Stone, Ph.D.
>>>>>> Professor
>>>>>> Child Development
>>>>>> CSUS/UC-Links After-school Program Director
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 10/17/17, 2:35 PM, "xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu on behalf of
>>>>> Julian
>>>>>> Williams" <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu on behalf of
>>>>>> julian.williams@manchester.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Lynda
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Always depressed to see researchers described as 'qualitative'
>>>>> presumably
>>>>>>> as opposed to 'quantitative' and therefore presumed to be innumerate,
>>>>>>> instead perhaps of being illiterate.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sigh.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Julian
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 17 Oct 2017, at 21:06, Stone, Lynda <lstone@skymail.csus.edu>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hello All!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Here is a description of job opening for a qualitative researcher
>>>>>>>> grounded in human development and interested in educational settings‹
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Responsibilities include:
>>>>>>>> € Teaching undergraduate and graduate courses in Child/Human
>>>>>>>> Development, specifically courses related to qualitative research
>>>>>>>> methodology and areas of interest;
>>>>>>>> € Maintaining a rigorous program of research related to school-
>>> and/or
>>>>>>>> community-based qualitative research;
>>>>>>>> € Supervising and sponsoring student scholarship; assisting with
>>>>>>>> advising and curriculum development/assessment;
>>>>>>>> € Working collegially with other faculty; and
>>>>>>>> € Contributing to service in the department, college, university, and
>>>>>>>> profession.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Required Qualifications
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> € An earned Ph.D. in Child/Human Development, Applied Developmental
>>>>>>>> Psychology, Developmental Psychology, Developmental Science,
>>> Education,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> Psychology, or an equivalent program. ABD candidates will be
>>>>>>>> considered. If ABD, all degree requirements must be completed by
>>> August
>>>>>>>> 2018
>>>>>>>> € Specialization in qualitative research methods with a strong
>>> emphasis
>>>>>>>> in developmental theory.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Preferred Qualifications
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> € Demonstrated leadership potential;
>>>>>>>> € Interpersonal skills;
>>>>>>>> € Ability to work with children, students, families, and communities
>>>>>>>> representing diverse populations from diverse backgrounds;
>>>>>>>> € Demonstrated experience and effectiveness in college level,
>>>>>>>> undergraduate, and/or graduate level teaching;
>>>>>>>> € Clearly defined interdisciplinary program of qualitative research
>>> and
>>>>>>>> publication focusing on children, adolescents, and/or young adults,
>>> or
>>>>>>>> demonstrated potential for establishing such a record;
>>>>>>>> € Experience in educational settings and/or curriculum development.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Lynda Stone, Ph.D.
>>>>>>>> Professor
>>>>>>>> Child Development
>>>>>>>> CSUS/UC-Links After-school Program Director
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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