[Xmca-l] Re: xmca new discussion started

[mike cole]

piece o cake
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On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 6:16 PM, Martin John Packer <mpacker@uniandes.edu.co>
wrote:

> Mike, properly done, retiring takes just as much work as working did!  :)
>
> Martin
>
> > On Jun 1, 2017, at 7:49 PM, mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu> wrote:
> >
> > It is a treat to drop in on this conversation. At a dissertation the
> other
> > day I learned that Garfinkel had referred to the "awesome
> > indexicality" of everyday life. Seems like a ripe set of circumstances
> for
> > conflict and emotion to be visible, as they are in Yasuko's case study.
> The
> > qu0te from Engestrom & Saninon works well for me. " Contradictions are
> > manifested in everyday actions as troubles and disturbances"
> > mike
> >
> > PS- my oh my! both martin and michael have comment in the time it took me
> > to type this brief note! time to retire. :-)
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 5:39 PM, Martin John Packer <
> mpacker@uniandes.edu.co>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Wolff-Michael,
> >>
> >> I agree with most of what you’ve written, but not the suggestion that EM
> >> starts from the assumption that people (simply) make visible order that
> has
> >> its origins somewhere else. I’ll quote from an encyclopedia article by
> Doug
> >> Maynard and Teddy Kardash:
> >>
> >>
> >> Ethnomethodology is an area in sociology originating in the work of
> Harold
> >> Garfinkel. It represents an effort to study the methods in and through
> >> which members concertedly produce and assemble the features of everyday
> >> life in any actual, concrete, and not hypothetical or theoretically
> >> depicted setting…. Members of society achieve this intelligible
> >> organization through actual, coordinated, concerted, procedural
> behaviors
> >> or methods and practices.
> >>
> >> Martin
> >>
> >> On Jun 1, 2017, at 7:27 PM, Wolff-Michael Roth <
> >> wolffmichael.roth@gmail.com<mailto:wolffmichael.roth@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Martin,
> >> I would have thought that ethno*methodology* is the study of the
> methods,
> >> the work, people use to make social orders visible. In this, it is very
> >> different from all other research, qualitative and quantitative.
> Garfinkel
> >> describes it as *incommensurably different *from, among others,
> >> interpretive studies of social life. He distinguishes EM from formal
> >> analytic studies, all those that have to specify methods because these
> >> methods are different from the methods people use in everyday life. EM
> does
> >> not dispute the results of other research; its interests are completely
> >> elsewhere.
> >> Practically, EM is interested in change if it is what people do; it is
> not
> >> interested in the change but how people do make change and the required
> >> work visible to each other.
> >> Michael
> >>
> >>
> >> Wolff-Michael Roth, Lansdowne Professor
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------
> >> --------------------
> >> Applied Cognitive Science
> >> MacLaurin Building A567
> >> University of Victoria
> >> Victoria, BC, V8P 5C2
> >> http://web.uvic.ca/~mroth <http://education2.uvic.ca/faculty/mroth/>
> >>
> >> New book: *The Mathematics of Mathematics
> >> <https://www.sensepublishers.com/catalogs/bookseries/new-
> >> directions-in-mathematics-and-science-education/the-
> >> mathematics-of-mathematics/>*
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 5:12 PM, Alfredo Jornet Gil <a.j.gil@iped.uio.no
> >> <mailto:a.j.gil@iped.uio.no>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Larry, I also was thinking that visibility, in other EM/CA studies also
> as
> >> instructability, speaks to change. A
> >> ________________________________________
> >> From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu<mailto:xmca-l-bounces@
> >> mailman.ucsd.edu> <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu<mailto:
> xmca-l-bounces@
> >> mailman.ucsd.edu>>
> >> on behalf of Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com<mailto:l
> pscholar2@gmail.com
> >>>>
> >> Sent: 02 June 2017 01:44
> >> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> >> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: xmca new discussion started
> >>
> >> Martin,
> >> This sentence,
> >> “Creating and sustaining order always requires change”
> >> And therefore makes visible change as the norm
> >> Seems to be pregnant with an evocative enacting of possibility for novel
> >> kinds of social fabric[continuing with the weaving theme]
> >>
> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> >>
> >> From: Alfredo Jornet Gil
> >> Sent: June 1, 2017 4:18 PM
> >> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> >> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: xmca new discussion started
> >>
> >> Yes, I agree with what you say. I guess I used the word change where I
> >> meant development. So I am going to change my question:
> >>
> >> What do and could do researchers concerned with development (social,
> >> personal) with EM.
> >>
> >> You recently shared with us a beautiful book on the topic of
> development.
> >> How does EM feature in it?
> >> Alfredo
> >> ________________________________________
> >> From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu<mailto:xmca-l-bounces@
> >> mailman.ucsd.edu> <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu<mailto:
> xmca-l-bounces@
> >> mailman.ucsd.edu>>
> >> on behalf of Martin John Packer <mpacker@uniandes.edu.co<mailto:
> >> mpacker@uniandes.edu.co>>
> >> Sent: 02 June 2017 00:40
> >> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> >> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: xmca new discussion started
> >>
> >> Hi Alfredo,
> >>
> >> I’ve always thought that EM deals very well with change, because it does
> >> not treat stasis as the norm. EM is the study of the methods that people
> >> (actants) employ to create and sustain order, various kinds of order.
> >> Creating and sustaining order always requires change.
> >>
> >> Martin
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jun 1, 2017, at 5:24 PM, Alfredo Jornet Gil <a.j.gil@iped.uio.no
> >> <mailto:a.j.gil@iped.uio.no>
> >> <mailto:a.j.gil@iped.uio.no>> wrote:
> >>
> >> I personally find ethnomethodology EM fascinating and a powerful
> approach
> >> to stick the realities of social life; but I always wondered what does
> EM
> >> do with questions of change.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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