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Thu Jun 1 17:55:59 PDT 2017

Yes, absolutely.  Part of the work of creating order will be making aspects of that order visible…

Martin

On Jun 1, 2017, at 7:45 PM, Wolff-Michael Roth <wolffmichael.roth@gmail.com<mailto:wolffmichael.roth@gmail.com>> wrote:

Thanks Martin,

I do not view what I am saying--though it is differently said---from what
you quote. The important part of the quotation is this: "*the methods* in
and through which members concertedly produce and assemble," and these
include making the very production and assembly available to each other. In
all of this, some things are unquestioned, and Garfinkel wrote considerably
on the invisible background assumption . . .

Michael

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On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 5:39 PM, Martin John Packer <mpacker@uniandes.edu.co<mailto:mpacker@uniandes.edu.co>>
wrote:

Hi Wolff-Michael,

I agree with most of what you’ve written, but not the suggestion that EM
starts from the assumption that people (simply) make visible order that has
its origins somewhere else. I’ll quote from an encyclopedia article by Doug
Maynard and Teddy Kardash:

Ethnomethodology is an area in sociology originating in the work of Harold
Garfinkel. It represents an effort to study the methods in and through
which members concertedly produce and assemble the features of everyday
life in any actual, concrete, and not hypothetical or theoretically
depicted setting…. Members of society achieve this intelligible
organization through actual, coordinated, concerted, procedural behaviors
or methods and practices.

Martin

On Jun 1, 2017, at 7:27 PM, Wolff-Michael Roth <
wolffmichael.roth@gmail.com<mailto:wolffmichael.roth@gmail.com><mailto:wolffmichael.roth@gmail.com>> wrote:

Martin,
I would have thought that ethno*methodology* is the study of the methods,
the work, people use to make social orders visible. In this, it is very
different from all other research, qualitative and quantitative. Garfinkel
describes it as *incommensurably different *from, among others,
interpretive studies of social life. He distinguishes EM from formal
analytic studies, all those that have to specify methods because these
methods are different from the methods people use in everyday life. EM does
not dispute the results of other research; its interests are completely
elsewhere.
Practically, EM is interested in change if it is what people do; it is not
interested in the change but how people do make change and the required
work visible to each other.
Michael

Wolff-Michael Roth, Lansdowne Professor

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On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 5:12 PM, Alfredo Jornet Gil <a.j.gil@iped.uio.no<mailto:a.j.gil@iped.uio.no>
<mailto:a.j.gil@iped.uio.no>>
wrote:

Larry, I also was thinking that visibility, in other EM/CA studies also as
instructability, speaks to change. A
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Sent: 02 June 2017 01:44
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Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: xmca new discussion started

Martin,
This sentence,
“Creating and sustaining order always requires change”
And therefore makes visible change as the norm
Seems to be pregnant with an evocative enacting of possibility for novel
kinds of social fabric[continuing with the weaving theme]

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From: Alfredo Jornet Gil
Sent: June 1, 2017 4:18 PM
To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: xmca new discussion started

Yes, I agree with what you say. I guess I used the word change where I
meant development. So I am going to change my question:

What do and could do researchers concerned with development (social,
personal) with EM.

You recently shared with us a beautiful book on the topic of development.
How does EM feature in it?
Alfredo
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Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: xmca new discussion started

Hi Alfredo,

I’ve always thought that EM deals very well with change, because it does
not treat stasis as the norm. EM is the study of the methods that people
(actants) employ to create and sustain order, various kinds of order.
Creating and sustaining order always requires change.

Martin

On Jun 1, 2017, at 5:24 PM, Alfredo Jornet Gil <a.j.gil@iped.uio.no<mailto:a.j.gil@iped.uio.no>
<mailto:a.j.gil@iped.uio.no>
<mailto:a.j.gil@iped.uio.no>> wrote:

I personally find ethnomethodology EM fascinating and a powerful approach
to stick the realities of social life; but I always wondered what does EM
do with questions of change.