[Xmca-l] Re: Hegel on Action
James Ma
jamesma320@gmail.com
Sat Jul 15 07:00:18 PDT 2017
Not sure, Larry. Do you mean George Herbert Mead's symbolic interactionism?
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On 15 July 2017 at 14:41, Lplarry <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote:
> James,
> This phrase (sign in the mind) reminds me of the concept (symbolic
> interactionism) and the history of that tradition or discursive community
> who were linking (symbolic) with (interactionism).
> Not sure if this is off track or not
>
> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
>
> From: Andy Blunden
> Sent: July 15, 2017 5:30 AM
> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Hegel on Action
>
> James, I think you're using "material" in some specific
> sense which is unknown to me. It seems to me to be something
> to do with body language as opposed to speech, maybe
> practical consciousness rather than discursive
> consciousness. "Material" understood as meaning "made of
> matter" would simply be the opposite of "in my imagination".
> I find it difficult to get my head around the idea of a
> "sign in the mind" and if "mind" was some place other than
> the material world where a sign could be located. I'm sure
> what you are talking about is perfectly good, but I can't
> relate it to the absolutely basic ontological issue which
> you raised out of my paper about action.
>
> Andy
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Andy Blunden
> http://home.mira.net/~andy
> http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making
>
> On 15/07/2017 8:15 PM, James Ma wrote:
> > Thanks for such helpful explanation, Andy.
> > Regarding my last question, I mean one's feeling or sense
> > perception involved in social practice in a social context
> > possesses the material quality of a psychic image (a sign
> > in the mind). This material quality can be one's facial
> > expression or bodily movement connected with a particular
> > feeling.
> >
> > James
> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
> > On 15 July 2017 at 09:42, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net
> > <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>> wrote:
> >
> > James, the meaning for words such as "material" and to
> > a lesser extent the other words in your message have
> > meanings which are extremely context (or discourse)
> > dependent. The Stanford Encyclopaedia of Philosophy
> > doesn't have a definition of Matter, considering it
> > only in relation to Form, but their definition of
> > Substance will do the trick. I follow Lenin and
> > Vygotsky in my understanding of matter. (Hegel didn't
> > like to use the word, because he took it as too linked
> > to Atomism. Marx used "material" in a very specific
> > way to do with reproduction of the means of life.)
> >
> > As to the philosophical meaning of "matter" I think I
> > said it in the paper as succinctly as possible. If
> > it's in the mind then it is not material. I can't make
> > sense of your last question.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > Andy Blunden
> > http://home.mira.net/~andy <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy>
> > http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-
> decision-making
> > <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-
> collective-decision-making>
> >
> > On 15/07/2017 6:28 PM, James Ma wrote:
> >
> > This is interesting to me, Andy. Do you rule out
> > anything that has material quality but is actually
> > associated with a mental sign (a sign in the mind,
> > as Peirce would say)? Do you consider social
> > practice (you mentioned earlier) to be tinted with
> > the intrapsychological within oneself?
> >
> > James
> >
> > /_____________________________________/
> >
> > */James
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> > <https://oxford.academia.edu/JamesMa/>
> >
> >
> >
> > On 15 July 2017 at 07:11, Andy Blunden
> > <ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>
> > <mailto:ablunden@mira.net
> > <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>>> wrote:
> >
> > No, it would be spreading confusion, Greg.
> >
> > "Matter" in this context is everything outside
> > of my
> > consciousness. "Activity" in this context is
> > human,
> > social practice. Moving attention to the
> > sub-atomic
> > level, a field where we have no common sense,
> > sensuous
> > knowledge, does not help.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > Andy Blunden
> > http://home.mira.net/~andy
> > <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy>
> > <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy>
> > http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-
> decision-making
> > <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-
> collective-decision-making>
> >
> > <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-
> collective-decision-making
> > <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-
> collective-decision-making>>
> >
> > On 15/07/2017 2:31 PM, Greg Thompson wrote:
> >
> > Andy,
> > Just musing here but I'm wondering if
> > "matter" is
> > anything more than activity, particularly when
> > considered at the sub-atomic level.
> > At that level, matter seems a lot more
> > like the
> > holding of relations in some activity (not so
> > different from the Notion?).
> > Or would that be taking things too far?
> > -greg
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 10:12 PM, Andy Blunden
> > <ablunden@mira.net
> > <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>
> > <mailto:ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>>
> > <mailto:ablunden@mira.net
> > <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>
> > <mailto:ablunden@mira.net
> > <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>>>> wrote:
> >
> > Anyone who got interested in that
> > material about
> > "Hegel on Action", here is my
> > contribution.
> >
> > https://www.academia.edu/33887830/Hegel_on_Action
> > <https://www.academia.edu/33887830/Hegel_on_Action>
> >
> > <https://www.academia.edu/33887830/Hegel_on_Action
> > <https://www.academia.edu/33887830/Hegel_on_Action>>
> >
> > <https://www.academia.edu/33887830/Hegel_on_Action
> > <https://www.academia.edu/33887830/Hegel_on_Action>
> >
> > <https://www.academia.edu/33887830/Hegel_on_Action
> > <https://www.academia.edu/33887830/Hegel_on_Action>>>
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > --
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > Andy Blunden
> > http://home.mira.net/~andy
> > <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy>
> > <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy>
> > <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy>
> > http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-
> decision-making
> > <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-
> collective-decision-making>
> >
> > <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-
> collective-decision-making
> > <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-
> collective-decision-making>>
> >
> > <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-
> collective-decision-making
> > <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-
> collective-decision-making>
> >
> > <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-
> collective-decision-making
> > <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-
> collective-decision-making>>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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