[Xmca-l] Re: Trump's speech and Perezhivanie

[Andy Blunden]

Well, I'm 71 and I subjected myself again to 17 mins of 
Trump, in the service of xmca.

I am filled again with feelings of anger, disgust and 
frustration. I see a *conman*, he has appropriated lines 
from every discourse known to humanity, some progressive, 
some reactionary and pumped it out, drained of meaning in 
the hope of hooking a fish with such an obvious bait. Not 
even a very good conman. He promotes *magical thinking*, all 
the social problems of American stop "now". Magical 
thinking. Within hours he is ripping health cover of several 
million of the poorest Americans and giving corporations the 
green light to ignore environmental regulations. My feelings 
of anger and disgust are generated not so much by his wilful 
assault on people (before Obama these people never had 
health care anyway), but by the hypocrisy and duplicity with 
which it is done. As a non-American all the "victim-America" 
talk is of course also particularly provocative.

In a word disgust at what I see as a gesture of utter 
contempt for his listeners. If I had to perform my reaction 
on stage, and if I were to take Stanislavskii's advice, I 
would adopt the feeling of disgust as the meaning which made 
my perception of the speech into an aesthetic whole.

Andy

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Andy Blunden
http://home.mira.net/~andy
http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making 

On 22/01/2017 12:55 PM, mike cole wrote:
> Hi Larry --
>
> You did not pick up on Alfredo's suggestion that xmca-o-philes conduct a
> collective investigation of the relationship of people's responses to the
> new administration as related to their age. Seemed like an interesting idea
> to me.
>
> mike
>
> On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 5:29 PM, <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Alfredo,
>> I will share an impression I had as I listened to a particular group being
>> interviewed who were inspired by the Trump speech.
>> The group were ‘the biker’s for Trump’. I asked what symbolic form they
>> were inhabiting or living out? The answer i came up with was the modern
>> symbolic of being ‘On the Road Again’ and distancing from the perceived
>> limitations of social con/striction. Then Thelma and Louise came to mind.
>> Now how does this modern American cultural imaginary of being on the road
>> again  inter/sect with Trump’s speech.
>> Trump said now there is only the future. No doubling back. The form
>> changes, but there is a deeper (layered) imaginary being expressed that is
>> shared between the biker’s for Trump and Trump’s speech. This symbolic
>> (taking multiple forms) is profoundly anti-historical in rhetoric. It
>> creates ‘dramatic places’ in which people ‘fall into’ and become animated
>> and encouraged and re-enchanted and re-vitalized. There is a re/lease from
>> perceived constraints.
>>
>> Alfredo, My impression watching the inauguration and the motivating
>> dramatic place Trump opens for some while sending a shudder down the spine
>> for others. The myth of escape from the shackles of history runs deep as a
>> symbolic imaginary that takes multiple ‘forms’ in the American dream.
>>
>> This is only one quick pass through as an impression.
>>
>> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
>>
>> From: Alfredo Jornet Gil
>> Sent: January 21, 2017 12:46 PM
>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>> Subject: [Xmca-l] Trump's speech and Perezhivanie
>>
>> Dear Helena, Andy, all,
>>
>>
>> Unfortunately, I have not been able to find the time to watch the movie
>> Fate of a Man, but I have followed the very interesting analyses and
>> conversations about it. I am opening this thread as connexions between
>> those analyses, perezhivanie, and current tragic social and political
>> situation in the US and elsewhere. This also connects with the article that
>> Mike shared on the position of the Learning Sciences with regard to this
>> situation (how happy I was to see this initiative!).
>>
>>
>> In particular, I wanted to pick up on Helena's very true comment that "the
>> US is going to have to produce some works of scholarship or art, or both,
>> that attempt to explain what is happening now here in the US -- for
>> example, this afternoon, under President Trump."
>>
>>
>> Yesterday, we saw at home Trump's speech. Although we had followed Trump's
>> campaign and its denigrating tenor, it was yesterday, for the first time,
>> that my wife and me got this gut feeling of true tragedy, of a real *drama*
>> as we heard those empty, but to recover the prior article for discussion,
>> hollowed and hollowing words coming out of that mouth. It came upon us that
>> there may be lots of people for whom those words are not hollowed, but
>> actually encouraging, rich, beautiful. How can you hear that as beauty?
>>
>>
>> So, I was wondering, and in following up with our 2016 MCA Issue 4
>> discussion,  whether we could not actually conduct an analysis of the sort
>> Marc offers in his article of the perezhivanie. Just as Vygotsky explains
>> how 3 different children experience the situation of an alcoholic mother
>> differently, could not we perform an analysis ?of that perezhivanie in
>> which a person experiences yesterday's situation as one of encouragement,
>> of freedom and hope. Would that not be a way to try to understand what is
>> going on? This would not be a piece of art, but could be something we could
>> do to try to understand and change this situation.
>>
>> We could then contrast that perezhivanie with the one many of as have, in
>> which the situation is experience as a real TRAGEDY. I think in the first
>> case, there is no hope for change, there is contempt; in the second,
>> hearing those words as hollowed and hollowing require that you live the
>> situation as a doubled situation in which you experienced it from a very
>> different developmental stage. One in which the speech sounds as a case of
>> involution.
>>
>> Should we find the transcribed speech and perform such analysis?
>>
>>
>> Going now to support the Woman's march here in Victoria BC.
>>
>> Alfredo
>>
>>
>>
>>
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