[Xmca-l] Re: Happy New Year and Perezhivanie!

[Andy Blunden]

I agree with you that taking an action as sign-mediated is 
distinct from taking an action as tool-mediated. One can of 
course point with a stick, and poke with a finger, yes? 
That's all good. But Larry drew from reading your message 
that signs were not material artefacts. Perhaps he had in 
mind: "that SIGN is not a thing, but a relation between two 
persons."

Andy

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On 10/01/2017 2:57 PM, Alfredo Jornet Gil wrote:
> I am not sure what part of Larry's or mine text you refer to, Andy, or why what I have written raises that question. But if your question is whether I think that words (as signs) are immaterial, or that a cube (as per the empirical case in our article) is immaterial as sign, then of course not. If your question is whether I think that sign relations are immaterial because they are not things but relations, then again no, that's not what I think or try to say. I assume we agree, however, that a pointing finger *does* things in a very different way than things can be done with a stick.
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> Alfredo
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> Is that right, Alfredo, what Larry says? That signs are not
> material artefacts (as I had thought), at all? It seemed to
> me that you were saying that as well.
>
> Andy
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> Andy Blunden
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> On 10/01/2017 5:25 AM, lpscholar2@gmail.com wrote:
>> So,  following your train of thought we should always
>> qualify ‘sign’ as ‘sign relation’ that moves genetically
>> or  ‘dynamically’.
>>