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[Andy Blunden]

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Andy Blunden
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On 20/12/2017 5:58 PM, James Ma wrote:
> Hello Martin, would it be possible to have a copy of your article "Is
> Vygotsky relevant?"? Many thanks.
> James
>
> On 19 December 2017 at 21:17, Martin John Packer <mpacker@uniandes.edu.co>
> wrote:
>
>> Well, it would be better that they obtain larger stockings!  :)
>>
>> M
>>
>>> On Dec 19, 2017, at 4:09 PM, David Kellogg <dkellogg60@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Those who find that Martin's book won't quite fit in their stockings
>> should
>>> look at Martin's 2008 article "Is Vygotsky relevant?"
>>>
>>> http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10749030701798607
>>>
>>> Scrooges can get a free pre-draft by googling "Is Vygotsky Relevant". For
>>> some reason the LCHC link doesn't work any more, and the paper doesn't
>>> appear to be on Martin's website any more either.
>>>
>>>
>>> David Kellogg
>>>
>>> Recent Article in *Mind, Culture, and Activity* 24 (4) 'Metaphoric,
>>> Metonymic, Eclectic, or Dialectic? A Commentary on “Neoformation: A
>>> Dialectical Approach to Developmental Change”'
>>>
>>> Free e-print available (for a short time only) at
>>>
>>> http://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/YAWPBtmPM8knMCNg6sS6/full
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 4:58 AM, Martin John Packer <
>> mpacker@uniandes.edu.co
>>>> wrote:
>>>> On Dec 18, 2017, at 7:43 PM, David Kellogg <dkellogg60@gmail.com
>> <mailto:d
>>>> kellogg60@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> For example, when Wolff-Michael says that Vygotsky rejected
>>>> both "scientific" and "interpretive" psychology, he doesn't mention the
>>>> context, which is "History of the Crisis in Psychology". Vygotsky's
>> talking
>>>> about reflexology on the one hand and Dilthey's "interpretive"
>> psychology
>>>> on the other. It's not about "quantitative" and "qualitative" research
>> at
>>>> all.
>>>>
>>>> If this is what Michael was referring to, then yes Vygotsky does reject
>>>> Dilthey’s approach to social science, and he rejects Dilthey’s division
>> of
>>>> the natural sciences and the human sciences — sciences of spirit — as
>> yet
>>>> another version of dualism. It’s not quite true that this has nothing
>> to do
>>>> with contemporary conceptions of ‘quantitative’ and ‘qualitative’
>> research,
>>>> in so far as people on both sides of this divide today continue to
>> accept
>>>> Dilthey’s proposal that the natural sciences can provide ‘explanation’
>>>> whereas the human sciences, using interpretive investigation, can
>> provide
>>>> only ‘description.’ I reject this proposal.
>>>>
>>>> There are other problems with Dilthey’s version of interpretive
>> inquiry. I
>>>> write in SQR that on the one hand "hermeneutics, for Dilthey, is the
>> theory
>>>> of how life discloses and expresses itself in cultural works....
>>>> Interpretation aims to go beyond subjectivity to the
>> 'thought-constituting
>>>> work' of life itself. For Dilthey, understanding is not a purely
>> cognitive
>>>> matter, but life grasping life in and through a full and rich contact
>> that
>>>> escapes rational theorizing.”
>>>>
>>>> This remains a powerful idea. However, on the other hand:
>>>>
>>>> “[Dilthey] recognized that the objects of inquiry in the human sciences
>>>> are historical phenomena, but he could not fully accept the
>> implications of
>>>> his own belief that the inquirer, the interpreter, is also always
>>>> historically situated. It is ironic that someone who emphasized the
>>>> historical character of our experience wanted to provide interpretations
>>>> that would transcend history.... If we are thoroughly involved in
>> history
>>>> it is difficult to see how we can achieve an objective viewpoint on
>> human
>>>> phenomena, yet this was the goal that Dilthey struggled all his life to
>>>> achieve. He had accepted the dominant ideology of science as an activity
>>>> that provides objective knowledge, but he could not identify a solid
>>>> foundation for objective knowledge in the human sciences, whose
>> legitimacy
>>>> he sought to define.”
>>>>
>>>> Martin
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
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