[Xmca-l] Re: Neoformation and developmental change: Issue 4 article for discussion

[Wolff-Michael Roth]

Hi Andy,
I am looking at the real movement of the thinking-body (Il'enkov), using a
pen and making a circle, for example. No abstraction. This is precisely
what Maxine Sheets-Johnston develops, and the point that she critiques with
embodiers and and enactivists---they abstract in positing schemas, that are
somewhere lodged in the mind, whereas life is in movement, real movement,
not abstracted. Without movement, life does not exist.

Also, an important point. I am talking about *trans*action not
*inter*action---in
the senses of Dewey and Bateson. Transaction is the coming and going in the
same action that Mikhailov is writing about, and the afferent and efferent
aspects of an action in the work of Timo Järvilehto. Because of this, any
form of cognition cannot be located merely in the brain (see also Il'enkov
on the beginning of any thought at the outside of the thinker, and the
endpoint of the thought again on the outside of the thinker).

I don't know where this stuff from quantum physics comes in. I am a
physicist by training, having done my MSc in atomic physics, and so I don't
see the link to the argument here.

Michael




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On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 3:32 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:

>    Actually Michael, I think "movement" is an abstraction
> from contradictions between interactions. For example, I saw
> that car there a moment ago, now I see it here. The
> contradiction is cognised as movement. That's why
> "trajectory" is not a legitimate concept in quantum physics.
> Hegel expresses this in the very well known aphorism:
> "contradiction is the root of all movement."
>
> https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/
> hl/hl431.htm#HL2_955
>
> Andy
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> Andy Blunden
> http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
> On 15/12/2017 9:54 AM, Wolff-Michael Roth wrote:
> > ... The smallest unit of movement still is
> > movement, and within it, there is change, so that the different parts are
> > not the same but themselves in movement. Michael
> >
> >
> > Wolff-Michael Roth, Lansdowne Professor
> >
> >
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