[Xmca-l] Re: Fwd: Saddening, maddening and unacceptable -- but we're not surprised.

[Glassman, Michael]

Hi Lisa,

Great post.  But I have absolutely no trouble turning isp's into villains.  Their privilege was based on a report to Congress and they were created because the scientists who wrote it were afraid the government would take money away from science.  An incredibly short sighted decision.  The isps have done so much damage concerning broad band access and pricing, even though they were basically given the ability to print money.  The early television networks were much more responsible, although that has changed.  There are othere villains for sure, but for me isps are right at the top of the list.

Michael 

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Michael,

Thank you for bringing up the point about right and privilege. I agree on your distinction, I agree that when the Internet was originally created and not accessible to all the push was for access to be a right for all. This is just something to think about, I agree that we all have the right to access information, services, and experiences through net neutrality, but somehow once in my mind when that right was extended to a wide audience where now the Internet has become a part of our every day life (something close to what Obama stated while he was president), and yet there are people systematically being disadvantaged from that right because Internet Service Providers (ISP) decided to not extend any services to regions often rural with lower population because it economically does not make sense, and also the same Internet Service Providers will not allow local government entities to lay down high speed Internet infrastructure, then the right for all seem to have become a privilege not extended for all.

After saying all of that, I want to make sure not to make ISPs into villains. That is too simple of a way to look at it. Historically, the US government wanted to provide a lucrative business opportunity to ISPs because the government was not going to lay down the infrastructure for the Information Super Highway and instead created a business environments where cable companies would want to take that expense on their own.

That was a stream of consciousness….


Lisa Yamagata-Lynch, Associate Professor

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On Apr 27, 2017, 12:52 PM -0400, Glassman, Michael <glassman.13@osu.edu>, wrote:
Hi Lisa

I agree with much of what you said, except I think it's better to think of Net Neutrality as a right rather than a privilege. That I think is what the early developers and the Net and Web had in mind I think. They wanted to establish access to be like water, as you said. You can talk about taking away a privilege, but crushing a right is a little different I think. But you are right, we don't recognize it because it has always been there for us and because people obfuscate it.

Michael

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Net Neutrality as a topic I believe is very confusing to the public, and perhaps to academics as well. It is a free speech, social justice, economic, political, technological, legal, and government issue all packaged in one, and the sound bites about it or social media posts about it in some cases are designed to throw people off track on what the point of maintaining net neutrality is all about.

At the same time, in my observation the people who have the privilege to voice their concerns to the audience (like myself) speak to audiences who take net neutrality for granted like having access to water everyday. It seems to take a lot of work to help people start to see that what they take for granted is truly a privilege that can be taken away. John Oliver did great work on this through comedy letting people see what they were taking for granted. However, the people who cannot even engage in the conversation because they do not have access to quick methods for sharing their voices seem to be quietly silenced.


Lisa Yamagata-Lynch, Associate Professor

Psychology and Counseling

http://www.lisayamagatalynch.net<http://www.lisayamagatalynch.net/

IT Online Program Coordinator

http://itonline.utk.edu/

https://www.facebook.com/utkitonline

http://epc.utk.edu/files/2017/01/IT-Online-Program-at-a-Glance.pdf

On Apr 27, 2017, 12:22 PM -0400, Glassman, Michael <glassman.13@osu.edu>, wrote:
Hi Lisa and others,

The fact that educators do not see Net Neutrality as important in education is in itself sad and does not bode well for education as a field. The ideas behind Net Neutrality permeate I think the thinking of the generation that has grown up using the Web. One poignant example was when Charles Murray came to talk at Middlebury College and there were large scale protests forcing him off campus. Many tsked tsked and portrayed it as a free speech issue. Reading the words of some of the students who had protested I didn't think so, it was much closer to the idea of Net Neutrality, that each person has equal access to voice. The argument was that Murray could speak as much as he wants he just shouldn't be supported by the administration in his speaking because that gave him an unfair advantage in his voice. Why was the administration giving that advantage against the wishes of the community. Try as they might the students could not convince people who argued that all ideas should be given a platform and Murray shouldn't be denied simply could not get this wasn't a free speech issue to them, that there was a difference. I wonder if much of the same thing going on. Do people really understand the meaning of Net Neutrality and a shared online Commons that cannot really be controlled? It is often presented in terms of commerce (to be fair when Tim Wu coined the phrase he did so in terms of commerce, which was a mistake I fear, and we need to find another way to talking about it maybe). I fear that those who have found voice will see this as yet another betrayal by an older generation that does not understand them and does not care about them. The fact Lisa that you have such a hard time finding homes speaks to this as well. Do we even know what we are doing anymore?

Michael

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Michael and others,

I hope that this is ok to share to this group. My research team at the University of Tennessee have 2 articles, one that just came out and another in press about Net Neutrality and studying about it from a CHAT perspective. We had a hard time finding the right homes for these articles primarily because reviewers did not see Net Neutrality as a relevant topic in education. If the two articles are not interesting to many in this community I apologize for mass sharing.

Both journals are Open Access journals. The IJQM (http://journals.sagepub.com/home/ijq) article is already free to the public as long as you are able to access the Internet, and the IRRODL (http://www.irrodl.org/index.php/irrodl) article will be free to the public as well when it comes out will be free to the public as well.

We will be at the Jean Piaget Society Conference in June to present our work on this.

Lisa YL


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Psychology and Counseling

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IT Online Program Coordinator

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http://epc.utk.edu/files/2017/01/IT-Online-Program-at-a-Glance.pdf

On Apr 27, 2017, 11:37 AM -0400, mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu>, wrote:
Seems important to all the members of xmca Mike
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Subject: Saddening, maddening and unacceptable -- but we're not surprised.
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At stake: free speech, innovation, education and cat videos
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Dear Michael,

It's been a while since we've talked about net neutrality. Big things are happening in Washington right now, so let's get caught up.

*Yesterday afternoon, the Federal Communications Commission's new Chairman Ajit Pai announced a proposal to gut net neutrality.*

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