[Xmca-l] Re: Vygotskian Passage

[Andy Blunden]

Sorry, I meant in terms of analogous "technology".

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Andy Blunden
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On 15/06/2016 9:52 PM, Andy Blunden wrote:
> I think our *memory* would change. And I don't know how 
> far back our way of conceiving of human powers in terms of 
> analogous human powers goes, but I guess it would change 
> our *conception* of memory.
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> Andy
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> Andy Blunden
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> http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making 
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> On 15/06/2016 9:48 PM, Glassman, Michael wrote:
>> Thanks Andy,
>>
>> Interesting, maybe that's why I merged the Arseniev 
>> anecdote and the use of strings to aid memory.   I wonder 
>> if when we developed semiotic mediators conception of 
>> memory changed (of course nobody thought of it as memory 
>> at the time), and if now with new types of storage of and 
>> access to semiotic mediators if our conception of memory 
>> is changing again.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu 
>> [mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of 
>> Andy Blunden
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:37 PM
>> To: xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu
>> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Vygotskian Passage
>>
>> This also has material about sending messages:
>>
>> https://www.marxists.org/archive/vygotsky/works/1930/man/ch04.htm 
>>
>> (especially the last few paragraphs)
>>
>> Andy
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>> Andy Blunden
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>> On 15/06/2016 6:49 AM, Glassman, Michael wrote:
>>> David,
>>>
>>> Yes, I think that's it.  I must have been merging this 
>>> description with the strings used for memory described 
>>> by Leontiev Bella pointed to.
>>>
>>> Thanks so much, this solves one mystery in my life.  I 
>>> wish they could all be answered so quickly.
>>>
>>> Thanks so much,
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
>>> [mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of 
>>> David Kellogg
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:36 PM
>>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity 
>>> <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
>>> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Vygotskian Passage
>>>
>>> Michael:
>>>
>>> I think you are actually thinking of an incident that 
>>> Vygotsky describes from the work of V.K. Arsen'ev. It's 
>>> on p. 50 of Vol. Four of the Collected Works, and you 
>>> can read it here:
>>>
>>> https://www.marxists.org/archive/vygotsky/works/1931/research-method.h 
>>>
>>> tm
>>>
>>> See paragraph 118. There's also a footnote about it in 
>>> "Concrete Psychology" (see number 14).
>>>
>>> By some accounts, Vygosky was in correspondence with 
>>> Arsen'ev, who wrote "Dersu the Trapper". Akira Kurasawa 
>>> made this book into a wonderful movie, which you can see 
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QYxy2HkpJ0&list=PL0dYx2N3BTuRcLGyHXBs 
>>>
>>> zwNgSy-0GoAfM
>>>
>>> David Kellogg
>>> Macquarie University
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 4:32 AM, Glassman, Michael
>>> <glassman.13@osu.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Bella.  The passage I remember, or think I 
>>>> remember, was
>>>> definitely along the same lines.
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu [mailto:
>>>> xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Bella 
>>>> Kotik-Friedgut
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:46 PM
>>>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity 
>>>> <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
>>>> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Vygotskian Passage
>>>>
>>>> The picture attached is from the book of Leontiev A.N. The
>>>> development Mind of a chapter on the historical 
>>>> development of higher forms of memory.
>>>> p.301
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely yours Bella Kotik-Friedgut
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 8:50 PM, Glassman, Michael
>>>> <glassman.13@osu.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if somebody might be able to help me.  I seem 
>>>>> to remember a
>>>>> passage from Vygotsky where he describes a person 
>>>>> going between
>>>>> villages, I think to deliver messages.  He uses some 
>>>>> type of
>>>>> external symbol system, maybe tying strings around his 
>>>>> finger.  Does
>>>>> anybody know if that really exists and if so where.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance to anybody who might be able to help.
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael
>>>>>
>>>>>
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