[Xmca-l] Re: Conductivism

Tue Aug 9 20:18:04 PDT 2016

Dear Natalia,

Thank you very much for trying! At least we know a copy exists somewhere.

Thanks and all the best for you.

Wagner

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Natalia Gajdamaschko <nataliag@sfu.ca>
wrote:

> Dear Wagner,
> I'll try to ask at SFU campus about some options, including the one you
> are proposing.
> It will have to wait until September, however.
> Best,
> Natalia.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wagner Luiz Schmit" <wagner.schmit@gmail.com>
> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 7:36:36 PM
> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Conductivism
>
> Dear Natalia,
>
> Can it be "shared" as an free e-learning module? So people can register to
> this "online class" and watch it? I speak Portuguese, but I wanted to show
> this movie to some colleagues here in Japan that can understand English.
>
> Wagner
>
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Natalia Gajdamaschko <nataliag@sfu.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > I am not sure, Andy, but will ask -- via interlibrary loan, perhaps?  I
> > don't think we can just broadcast it here.
> > NG
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andy Blunden" <ablunden@mira.net>
> > To: "Natalia Gajdamaschko" <nataliag@sfu.ca>, "eXtended Mind, Culture,
> > Activity" <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 6:19:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Xmca-l] Re: Conductivism
> >
> > Wow! I think people on this list would like to see it. Any
> > chance you could convince your university to share it more
> > widely?
> >
> > Andy
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > Andy Blunden
> > http://home.mira.net/~andy
> > http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making
> >
> > On 10/08/2016 11:15 AM, Natalia Gajdamaschko wrote:
> > > Hi Andy,
> > > I have a copy of "Butterflies of Zagorsk" and it is not a pirated one,
> > it was bought by Simon Fraser University at my request many years ago
> from
> > BBC. Students like it.
> > > Cheers,
> > > Natalia.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Andy Blunden" <ablunden@mira.net>
> > > To: xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu
> > > Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 5:54:17 PM
> > > Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Conductivism
> > >
> > > Here is what Andrew said when I asked him about Butterflies:
> > >
> > > Dear Andy,
> > > Yes, Lois Holzman is sort of right. Around 25 or so years
> > > ago the world was rather different from today and the BBC
> > > was easily persuaded to invest the small fortune that it
> > > took to make a number of documentary films around the theme
> > > of the transformability of human psychic development. Not
> > > only did I spark these off but served as 'technical advisor'
> > > to all of them and was quite closely involved in their
> > > making. The BBC distributed information to viewers who wrote
> > > in after seeing the programmes, and even published a small
> > > book. It was all great fun and for while I risked a little
> > > optimism, but the world changed... They were quite good
> > > films in their way. Not at a technical level, if by that one
> > > means in terms of how well they portrayed the
> > > psycho-educational principles and the philosophies that each
> > > concerned, but as propaganda that move people who knew. The
> > > director and writer had their own ideas of what could make
> > > powerful television and parts of all these films are
> > > technically weak at what I regarded as their central themes.
> > > What did I know, though? I was just pleased to let Ann Paul
> > > the producer/director and Michael Dean the writer have their
> > > head. One of the films enjoyed some critical acclaim and
> > > even for a time affected social policy at the national level
> > > (not The Butterflies of Zagorsk). Many professionals in the
> > > relevant sectors hated them. That was all fun too. The
> > > Butterflies of Zagorsk was a hour long, and perhaps it might
> > > have been better at more tightly edited at fifty minutes. At
> > > the superficial level it portrayed the work of the Deaf-Bind
> > > Children's Home at Zagorsk (now Sergiev Posad). that was the
> > > concrete heritage of Sololyanskii and Meshcheriyakov, and of
> > > course Il'enkov, represented in still living pedagogy and
> > > upbringing. More deeply it tried to convey the
> > > social-cultural/historical understanding of L. S.
> > > Vygotskii's social-cultural/historical understanding and
> > > what this implies. So, Lois Holzman rather overstated my
> > > role in all this. I did not make them and had no formal
> > > ownership. Ownership was with the BBC and the BBC is
> > > notoriously jealous of its intellectual property – hence
> > > their later absence from YouTube. One could for a while buy
> > > tapes of these films above board (at a fiendish cost) but
> > > following major reorganisation at the BBC, including closure
> > > of its Documentaries Department, this facility disappeared.
> > > A few years ago I wrote to ask about the present situation
> > > but could find no one at the BBC who knew even how to find
> > > out about this, and by then I knew nobody higher up who
> > > could lean on the organisation! As an an immediate response
> > > to your question about availability' of The Butterflies of
> > > Zagorsk I can give only the same answer that I have had to
> > > give so many times over the years. Unless you come across a
> > > copy of a pirated example somewhere, you may search in vain.
> > > I do not have one myself (the early nineties were tumultuous
> > > times for me), nor do I think that Ann Paul (long now
> > > retired) has either. I am in Germany for a few days at the
> > > moment but when I get back I shall follow one lead that
> > > occurs to me. Nil desperandum, but don't hold your breath!
> > > Of course, if your Portuguese is up to it, in the meantime
> > > you can watch this film on YouTube, under the title of As
> > > borboletas de Zagorsk.:
> > > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKnQt9F--
> > NgHfOKHCpRwxKClD4Eo0lY87I
> > > suspect that this is a pirated version of a 'official'
> > > version sold abroad by the BBC, probably for broadcast in
> > > Brazil. It sold the film to other foreign broadcasting
> > > companies too, so a thorough search might find other
> > > leads.The Portuguese one references above is a terrible
> > > print, and of course probably loses something in translation
> > > of what the original actually said. Look up the Portuguese
> > > title on Google, though, and you will see that even so the
> > > film is still powerful enough to attract attention. Best
> > > answer that I can offer in my present situation, Andrew.
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Andy Blunden http://home.mira.net/~andy
> > > http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making
> > >
> > > On 5/08/2016 11:27 AM, Lois Holzman wrote:
> > >> Hi Andy,
> > >> I know of it through Andrew Sutton andrew@conductive-education.org.uk
> > >>
> > >> http://e-conduction.org/ceinformation/category/andrew-sutton/ <
> > http://e-conduction.org/ceinformation/category/andrew-sutton/>
> > >> http://www.blurb.com/b/1736366-internationalising-
> conductive-education
> > <http://www.blurb.com/b/1736366-internationalising-conductive-education>
> > >> /http://www.specialworld.net/2016/04/05/conductive-
> > education-the-unfinished-story/ <http://www.specialworld.net/
> > 2016/04/05/conductive-education-the-unfinished-story/>—read this one for
> > the latest
> > >> http://www.conductive-world.info <http://www.conductive-world.info/
> >—Andrew's
> > site
> > >>
> > >> I met Andrew a long time ago because as the person who made the
> > documentary Butterflies of Zagorsk (mentioned on XMCA a bunch of times)
> and
> > learned of his work with conductive education from him.
> > >>
> > >> I hope this is helpful.
> > >>
> > >> Lois
> > >>
> > >> Lois Holzman
> > >> Director, East Side Institute for Group & Short Term Psychotherapy
> > >> 119 West 23 St, suite 902
> > >> New York, NY 10011
> > >> Chair, Global Outreach, All Stars Project, UX
> > >> Tel. +1.212.941.8906 x324
> > >> Fax +1.718.797.3966
> > >> lholzman@eastsideinstitute.org
> > >> Social Media
> > >> Facebook  <https://www.facebook.com/lois.holzman.5>| LinkedIn <
> > http://www.%20linkedin.com/pub/lois-holzman> | Twitter <
> > https://twitter.com/LoisHolzman>
> > >> Blogs
> > >> Psychology Today <http://www.psychologytoday.
> > com/blog/conceptual-revolution>| Psychology of Becoming <
> > http://loisholzman.org/> | Mad in America <http://www.madinamerica.com/
> > author/lois/>
> > >> Websites
> > >> Lois Holzman <http://loisholzman.org/> | East Side Institute <
> > http://eastsideinstitute.org/> | Performing the World <http://www.
> > performingtheworld.org/>
> > >> All Stars Project <http://allstars.org/>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Aug 4, 2016, at 9:14 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Does anyone know anything about "conductivism"?
> > >>>
> > >>> I understand it is a school of educational psychology which is used
> in
> > the education of severely disabled children, it came out of Hungary and
> > they have an interest in Vygotsky. And I think the name is an allusion to
> > the "conductor" of an orchestra.
> > >>>
> > >>> Andy
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>> Andy Blunden
> > >>> http://home.mira.net/~andy
> > >>> http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-
> decision-making
> > >>
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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