[Xmca-l] Re: Conductivism

Mon Aug 8 22:03:35 PDT 2016

Dear all,

The link from Andrew is broken, here is one working link for the Portuguese
dubbed bad old VHS ripped "Borboletas de Zagorsk"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxEaHMxi7wE

Wagner

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Wagner Luiz Schmit <wagner.schmit@gmail.com
> wrote:

> That explain why my search for an English version of it was fruitless.
>
> Wagner
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
>
>> Here is what Andrew said when I asked him about Butterflies:
>>
>> Dear Andy,
>> Yes, Lois Holzman is sort of right. Around 25 or so years ago the world
>> was rather different from today and the BBC was easily persuaded to invest
>> the small fortune that it took to make a number of documentary films around
>> the theme of the transformability of human psychic development. Not only
>> did I spark these off but served as 'technical advisor' to all of them and
>> was quite closely involved in their making. The BBC distributed information
>> to viewers who wrote in after seeing the programmes, and even published a
>> small book. It was all great fun and for while I risked a little optimism,
>> but the world changed... They were quite good films in their way. Not at a
>> technical level, if by that one means in terms of how well they portrayed
>> the psycho-educational principles and the philosophies that each concerned,
>> but as propaganda that move people who knew. The director and writer had
>> their own ideas of what could make powerful television and parts of all
>> these films are technically weak at what I regarded as their central
>> themes. What did I know, though? I was just pleased to let Ann Paul the
>> producer/director and Michael Dean the writer have their head. One of the
>> films enjoyed some critical acclaim and even for a time affected social
>> policy at the national level (not The Butterflies of Zagorsk). Many
>> professionals in the relevant sectors hated them. That was all fun too. The
>> Butterflies of Zagorsk was a hour long, and perhaps it might have been
>> better at more tightly edited at fifty minutes. At the superficial level it
>> portrayed the work of the Deaf-Bind Children's Home at Zagorsk (now Sergiev
>> Posad). that was the concrete heritage of Sololyanskii and Meshcheriyakov,
>> and of course Il'enkov, represented in still living pedagogy and
>> upbringing. More deeply it tried to convey the social-cultural/historical
>> understanding of L. S. Vygotskii's social-cultural/historical understanding
>> and what this implies. So, Lois Holzman rather overstated my role in all
>> this. I did not make them and had no formal ownership. Ownership was with
>> the BBC and the BBC is notoriously jealous of its intellectual property –
>> hence their later absence from YouTube. One could for a while buy tapes of
>> these films above board (at a fiendish cost) but following major
>> reorganisation at the BBC, including closure of its Documentaries
>> Department, this facility disappeared. A few years ago I wrote to ask about
>> the present situation but could find no one at the BBC who knew even how to
>> find out about this, and by then I knew nobody higher up who could lean on
>> the organisation! As an an immediate response to your question about
>> availability' of The Butterflies of Zagorsk I can give only the same answer
>> that I have had to give so many times over the years. Unless you come
>> across a copy of a pirated example somewhere, you may search in vain. I do
>> not have one myself (the early nineties were tumultuous times for me), nor
>> do I think that Ann Paul (long now retired) has either. I am in Germany for
>> a few days at the moment but when I get back I shall follow one lead that
>> occurs to me. Nil desperandum, but don't hold your breath! Of course, if
>> your Portuguese is up to it, in the meantime you can watch this film on
>> YouTube, under the title of As borboletas de Zagorsk.:
>> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKnQt9F--NgHfOKHCpRwxKClD4Eo0lY87I
>> suspect that this is a pirated version of a 'official' version sold abroad
>> by the BBC, probably for broadcast in Brazil. It sold the film to other
>> foreign broadcasting companies too, so a thorough search might find other
>> leads.The Portuguese one references above is a terrible print, and of
>> course probably loses something in translation of what the original
>> actually said. Look up the Portuguese title on Google, though, and you will
>> see that even so the film is still powerful enough to attract attention.
>> Best answer that I can offer in my present situation, Andrew.
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> Andy Blunden http://home.mira.net/~andy http://www.brill.com/products/
>> book/origins-collective-decision-making
>> On 5/08/2016 11:27 AM, Lois Holzman wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Andy,
>>> I know of it through Andrew Sutton andrew@conductive-education.org.uk
>>>
>>> http://e-conduction.org/ceinformation/category/andrew-sutton/ <
>>> http://e-conduction.org/ceinformation/category/andrew-sutton/>
>>> http://www.blurb.com/b/1736366-internationalising-conductive-education <
>>> http://www.blurb.com/b/1736366-internationalising-conductive-education>
>>> /http://www.specialworld.net/2016/04/05/conductive-education
>>> -the-unfinished-story/ <http://www.specialworld.net/2
>>> 016/04/05/conductive-education-the-unfinished-story/>—read this one for
>>> the latest
>>> http://www.conductive-world.info <http://www.conductive-world.info/>—Andrew's
>>> site
>>>
>>> I met Andrew a long time ago because as the person who made the
>>> documentary Butterflies of Zagorsk (mentioned on XMCA a bunch of times) and
>>> learned of his work with conductive education from him.
>>>
>>> I hope this is helpful.
>>>
>>> Lois
>>>
>>> Lois Holzman
>>> Director, East Side Institute for Group & Short Term Psychotherapy
>>> 119 West 23 St, suite 902
>>> New York, NY 10011
>>> Chair, Global Outreach, All Stars Project, UX
>>> Tel. +1.212.941.8906 x324
>>> Fax +1.718.797.3966
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Aug 4, 2016, at 9:14 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know anything about "conductivism"?
>>>>
>>>> I understand it is a school of educational psychology which is used in
>>>> the education of severely disabled children, it came out of Hungary and
>>>> they have an interest in Vygotsky. And I think the name is an allusion to
>>>> the "conductor" of an orchestra.
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Andy Blunden
>>>> http://home.mira.net/~andy
>>>> http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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