[Xmca-l] Re: Blackface and Gayface

[Greg Mcverry]

Rob,

Collard Greens were first introduced in the US by African Slaves. It is a
regional dish (though not appealing to Vegans) served in both Southern
cuisine and Soul Food.

Collard Greens though have taken on a strong metaphorical  role in southern
Black identity.


On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 11:12 AM R.J.S.Parsons <r.j.s.parsons@open.ac.uk>
wrote:

> It is wonderful what you learn on xmca. I had never heard of collard
> greens before. A quick visit to Wikipedia has enlightened me: things I
> eat most days. But the category has no meaning in my life, or in that of
> any other UK resident I am aware of. We eat some, we don't eat others.
>
> Can someone enlighten me as to how and in what way collard greens has
> become a marker of identity in the USA?
>
> Rob
>
> On 25/04/2016 15:37, Dr. Paul C. Mocombe wrote:
> >
> > Jacob
> > Now we have to get into the definition of what is black identity?  I am
> native haitian who grew up in the provinces where my grandparents practiced
> vodou and raised me to think as an african.  My world was constituted via
> the universe and vodou.  I simply do not believe in defining myself by my
> skin-color.  By white man, yes I do privilege white experiences of the
> earth and the ideologies and apparatuses they have constituted as a result
> of the experience; blackness in the west was defined in relation to that
> experience. So in order for me to be black in america and join the black
> community what should I do:
> > Join a so-called black church (they discriminate against my vodou
> religion as in vodou we discriminate against them for they practice the
> white man's faith)Eat collard greens, chicken, and macaroni and cheeseSpeak
> AAEVwear skinny jeansListen to rap music and rb
> > OR is Barack Obama a paragon for e. Franklin frazier's the black
> bourgeoisie?
> > I am haitian and My wife is black american and we have two sons... I do
> not let my sons do the black church thing.  My wife attends her protestant
> church every sunday.  But my sons are not allowed to attend;  No AAEV in
> the house; we are vegans so we do not do many of the foods...
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® 4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: Jacob McWilliams <jennamcjenna@gmail.com>
> > Date: 4/25/2016  9:46 AM  (GMT-05:00)
> > To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> > Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Blackface and Gayface
> >
> > I do not, and never will, agree with the arguments that reject Obama's
> > black identity. I find those arguments deeply problematic at minimum, and
> > usually much worse than problematic. However, I do wish that those who
> > argue that Obama is not black would not describe him as a white man. By
> the
> > terms of this argument, whiteness is no more a "real" category than is
> > blackness, and referring to Obama as a "white man," even if done to shock
> > people, serves to feed into the very real, and not at all fictitious,
> > hegemony of whiteness in America and around the world.
> >
> >
> >
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