[Xmca-l] Re: Interesting to think about: the social springs of giving
Larry Purss
lpscholar2@gmail.com
Wed Oct 21 20:06:33 PDT 2015
Andy,
I want to stay with Jane Jacobs, and her description of healthy cities. They are places where any adult would come to the aid of any child on the pavement.
Levinas said we are called to respond to the face of the other. We can turn away but this is to retreat or withdraw from the call.
Andy I believe you are pointing out that different traditions [religious and secular] can nurture our capacity to not turn away from the other.
I hear this as a question [not an answer]. How central are *ethical* actions to healthy cities?
We often say that discursive conversational, dialectical, dialogical orientations [which are not foundational a priori answers] are the places or spaces that generate ethical actions.
However is it possible that the *ethical* is the central focus and our discursive, conversational, dialectical, dialogical actions are ways of expressing our shared *ethical* con - cerns.
This fits with your understanding that because the USA is still oriented to the Christian *ethical* while Australia's *ethical* orientation is to turn to state solutions as ways to answer the *ethical* QUESTION.
The dialogical, discursive conversational approaches are opening generative questions [in contrast to a priori blueprint answers].
Your question that both the secular and religious traditions can be vehicles which call us to respond [or turn away] leaves open how we come to understand, interpret, and apply *ethical* callings but is it possible to find common *ethical*goals which honor religious and secular orientations in a shared common sense?
I will just mention as an aside that Habermas recently has been engaged with these questions moving beyond conversational rationality to re-engage the religious impulse.
larry
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To: ablunden@mira.net;eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity;mike cole
Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Interesting to think about: the social springs of giving
I ran a fundraiser for my dying nephew. It meant so many things to so many
people.
But mainly it provided a rallying cry, a sword against the windmill of
nature's indiscriminate hand. And for my brother and his wife it provided a
purpose for their son and the means to survive the pitfalls of American
healthcare.
Made me think that spaces of grievance and hope are unique networks of
adult and community learning.
That is what Make a Wish does. It provides a little bit a hope in the face
of a known and horrible destiny.
On Wed, Oct 21, 2015, 8:53 PM Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
> Mike, it is a suggestion that the phenomena manifested by
> Make-a-Wish in NE Arkansas may not be portable, and that the
> kind of social change achieved requires other means in other
> places.
> After kind of touring the world, Horton went back, more or
> less, to his home territory to set up the base to use adult
> education as an instrument for social transformation. The
> merits of beginning from your own roots is one of the
> conclusions I drew from my years of ultraleft activity. In
> the 1970s, all over the world, people of my generation who
> had been radicalised in the mass movements of the 1960s
> abandoned the professions they would otherwise have joined
> after completing university and went to work in factories
> based on convictions that this was where social
> transformation could be achieved. A big mistake. Just like
> in many countries our opposite numbers left the cities and
> went into the countryside. Big mistake.
> This was not a mistake made by the woman who is the
> inspiration behind this obsession with Make-a-Wish in NE
> Arkansas. She was a child who got her real wish fulfilled
> and got better after being the subject of a Make-a-Wish
> project, and what she decided to do with her life was lots
> and lots of Make-a-Wish projects in her home town and
> surrounds. Good decision.
> Now, there is a strong sense of "Only in America" in this
> story. I am not much of a theologian, having been raised by
> Communists myself and never having been to Damascus. But I
> think it could only be in a country so utterly steeped in
> Christianity as rural U S of A that Make-a-Wish could so
> grip entire communities.
> In social democratic countries like Australia, Make-a-Wish
> has a life, but it is not a big thing and nor is any variety
> of philanthropy. When people want to do something to help
> there is a powerful reflex which says that the proper way to
> help is to get government or at the very least some kind of
> statutory authority to take on the problem in a permanent,
> universal commitment. Which does produce weird phenomena
> from time to time. Whenever there is a tsunami or a famine,
> Australians give billions on a personal basis and our
> governments give very little.
> Now this brings me to a puzzle which I have wrestled with
> most of my life without resolution. Almost everyone I see
> doing good, selfless community service, even including
> self-help and community development work, is motivated by
> religion. There are those of us who serve the community
> motivated by secular ideals, but we are really a small
> minority. This is a real conundrum for those of us motivated
> by secular ideals because we rely on the idea that secular
> ideals are powerful enough to motivate meaningful
> life-projects which are not self-serving.
> One of the attractions of Make-a-Wish is that it is a
> project-of-projects. In fact, most of the participants
> probably are not even conscious of an overall project, just
> "Make-a-Wish".
> None of the above goes to the key relation at the centre of
> each Make-a-Wish project, the sick child. I am sure a
> poet-psychologist could wax lyrical on that theme, but
> that's not for me. The ability of the sick child to cut
> through to the heart of every adult is surely universal. But
> Jane Jacobs rated the obligation upon any adult to come to
> the aid of any child on the pavement a key characteristic of
> a healthy city and I agree.
>
> Andy
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> *Andy Blunden*
> http://home.pacific.net.au/~andy/
> On 22/10/2015 1:33 AM, mike cole wrote:
> > larry, Andy
> >
> > Does Horton's advice provide an explanation for the
> > various phenomena on display in that video segment?
> >
> > I am a little lost here.
> > mike
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 11:47 PM, Lplarry
> > <lpscholar2@gmail.com <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Andy,
> > The wisdom of Myles Norton.
> > You must go back. Does this mean retreat or withdraw
> > to a simple place? The question of the place being
> > simple also seems relevant.
> > Also the need for a goal. Is the type of goal required
> > an *ethical* goal that is shared?
> > THEN the movement and application will take its *own*
> > form and structure once we have a place.
> > It seems Myles Horton is trusting goals without
> > blueprints that give pre/established answers.
> > TRUSTING the place and the goals to open
> > opportunities of possibility. A simple place
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Andy Blunden" <ablunden@mira.net
> > <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>>
> > Sent: 2015-10-20 2:18 AM
> > To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity"
> > <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>>
> > Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Interesting to think about: the
> > social springs of giving
> >
> > I watched the story.
> > I already knew about Make-a-Wish so it was no
> > surprise, but
> > Mike's point was of course the way MaW became a
> > vehicle for
> > a fantastic wave of building social fabric.
> > XMCAers are all going to be interested in any idea
> > which can
> > lead to building this kind of *trust* in a community.
> > Trust
> > is basically what "social capital" is, but the point
> > is only
> > how does one go about *building* that trust? Robert Putnam
> > says almost any doing-something-together will have this
> > effect, and took choir groups as his typical example.
> > Personally, I think MaW would do better than choir groups,
> > but that's not the point. Putnam's own data in his
> > original
> > study in Italy actually showed that the best predictor of
> > social capital was having a PCI local government,
> > which was
> > inconvenient for Putnam's theory, so he just excluded this
> > from his results.
> > The story this week in Australia has been about Tamworth,
> > famous for an annual Country Music festival, but
> > otherwise a
> > typical remote outback town. It is now building a
> > Pharmaceutical plant. How did this huge change happen? A
> > young boy had bowel cancer and his mother, a good
> > member of
> > the Country Women's Association, discovered that cannabis
> > was the only medication which relieved the pain and nausea
> > the boy was suffering. She took up the cause. While
> > illegally acquiring cannabis she started lobbying
> > government
> > to legalise medical cannabis and she won, though the whole
> > business will take a year or so to implement. And Tamworth
> > will be all set to market it. She has gathered a huge
> > social
> > movement and local support radiating out from Tamworth.
> > My point. Make-a-Wish worked for North East Arkansas,
> > partly
> > because of one child who lived to champion it. Cannabis
> > legalisation and production worked for Tamworth.
> > As Myles Horton said:
> >
> > What you must do is go back, get a simple place,
> > move in and you are there. The situation is there.
> > You start with this and let it grow. You know your
> > goal. It will build its own structure and take its
> > own form.
> >
> > Andy
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > *Andy Blunden*
> > http://home.pacific.net.au/~andy/
> > <http://home.pacific.net.au/%7Eandy/>
> > On 20/10/2015 4:00 AM, mike cole wrote:
> > > What did you make of the CBS segment, Jay? Does it
> > provide useful example
> > > of principle of community's in Turner?
> > > Mike
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > On Monday, October 19, 2015, Jay Lemke
> > <lemke.jay@gmail.com <mailto:lemke.jay@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > >> For an interesting approach to "community", I'd
> > recommend Edith Turner's
> > >> "Communitas". Ethnographic deepening of late Victor
> > Turner's concept.
> > >>
> > >> JAY.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Jay Lemke
> > >> LCHC/Department of Communication
> > >> University of California - San Diego
> > >> www.jaylemke.com <http://www.jaylemke.com>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 8:58 PM, Andy Blunden
> > <ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>
> > >> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Yes, indeed I am interested, Mike.
> > >>> Critiquing the concept of "social capital" and
> > developing an alternative
> > >>> concept of "social solidarity" and searching for a
> > suitable unit of
> > >>> analysis was how I got started down the track I
> > have been on ever since
> > >>> then, about 2003. What is the difference between
> > community as in all
> > >> people
> > >>> living in such and such town, and "real"
> > community? Robert Putnam had
> > >>> assembled evidence that almost any collective
> > activity fosters what he
> > >>> called "social capital." The problem was that he
> > couldn't distinguish
> > >>> between the mafia taking root in a community and a
> > community taking
> > >> control
> > >>> of crime on its streets, etc. His classic
> > "example" activity was the
> > >>> formation of choir groups, proven promoters of
> > collective "wealth".
> > >>>
> > >>> Andy
> > >>>
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>> *Andy Blunden*
> > >>> http://home.pacific.net.au/~andy/
> > <http://home.pacific.net.au/%7Eandy/>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 19/10/2015 2:07 PM, mike cole wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I found a segment of the American weekly TV
> > program, 60 minutes, more
> > >> than
> > >>>> usually interesting this evening, and one segment
> > in particular
> > >>>> seemed to have a lot of relevance to many
> > different interests of people
> > >> on
> > >>>> xmca. The topic was the the activities of the
> > "Make a Wish Foundation."
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Of the very many issues that the program
> > discusses, one which I found
> > >>>> particularly interesting was the ability of the
> > organized practice of
> > >>>> communities
> > >>>> raising money to give seriously ill children "a
> > last wish" is one that
> > >> has
> > >>>> particular relevance to questions about the
> > mechanisms of social
> > >>>> solidarity. In small towns in northern Arkansas,
> > a relatively poor and
> > >> out
> > >>>> of the part of the US, people raise amazing
> > amounts of money to provide
> > >>>> special experience for kids who are dying of some
> > disease that has not
> > >>>> known current cure. What particularly caught my
> > attention especially is
> > >>>> the
> > >>>> powerful effect that participation in the money
> > raising and the
> > >> ingenious
> > >>>> social organization of the activities, has on
> > community members across
> > >>>> several generations, from peers to grandparents.
> > In one sense, it seems
> > >>>> that everything is so focuses on the individual
> > kid that it is "just a
> > >>>> manifestation of late capitalist individualism."
> > If effects on the kids
> > >> is
> > >>>> interesting, but it is the reflected effect on
> > the community pretty
> > >>>> generally, and the emergence of strong personal
> > bonds in particular that
> > >>>> caught me most.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Andy might find this interesting as an example of
> > a project.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> mike
> > >>>>
> > >>>> http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/topics/60-minutes/
> > click on make a
> > >>>> wish
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > It is the dilemma of psychology to deal as a natural
> > science with an
> > object that creates history. Ernst Boesch
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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