[Xmca-l] Re: 4 experiencing fans

[Martin John Packer]

But Mike, there's a whole Wikipedia page devoted to this!

<https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Строительные_леса>

Martin

On Nov 2, 2015, at 6:42 PM, mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu> wrote:

> Nektarios--- Where does LSV use the term, scaffolding? Hmmmmm.
> mike
> 
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Nektarios Alexi <NEKTARIOS.ALEXI@cdu.edu.au>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Andy,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It might be that only now after trying to read and understand Vygotsky's
>> work for the last 4 years I might started having a sense what perezhivanie
>> really is (so it might be that firstly I am shocked by realizing the depth
>> and breath of this russian word) by reading Vasilyuk commentaries. Also I
>> am talking from the perspective of many Australians, so call postmodern
>> psychotherapists or otherwise call narrative psychotherapists, that their
>> main teacher was Michael White, who claims in his books that he uses
>> Vygotsky's idea of scaffolding to help people to restructure their
>> narratives and as a consequence of that to overcome their mental health
>> issues. I do not think that the way Vasilyuk understands Vygotsky has any
>> simillarity with the way that many narrative psychotherapists might have
>> understood Vygotsky, so I think for any postmodern thinker who claims to be
>> a follower of  Vygotsky it might be a bit shocking to read how Vasilyuk
>> interprets many of the basic concepts of Vygotsky's work.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best Wishes,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Nektarios
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Andy Blunden [ablunden@mira.net]
>> Sent: Monday, 2 November 2015 9:44 PM
>> To: Nektarios Alexi; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity; Annalisa Aguilar
>> Subject: Re: [Xmca-l] Re: 4 experiencing fans
>> 
>> The long trail of spaces at the end of the URL may cause people to get a
>> bad link, Alex.
>> Try http://summit.sfu.ca/item/9176
>> 
>> Why do you say Vasilyuk gives such a *shocking* perspective on
>> perezhivanie, Alex?
>> Andy
>> ________________________________
>> *Andy Blunden*
>> http://home.pacific.net.au/~andy/
>> On 2/11/2015 10:20 PM, Nektarios Alexi wrote:
>> 
>> Attach is the article  that is locked. I have only read the first article
>> from the list and hoping to read the other two by tomorrow sometime. I have
>> a sense that Vasilyuk work is a good answer against the postmodern attitude
>> of many psychotherapists and counsellors today and especially in Australia.
>> Is funny though that narrative therapists in Australia and especially
>> Michael White was thinking that is  applying Vygotsky's ideas in his work
>> (i don't think he ever read his work properly). Vasilyuk I think is
>> shocking by giving such an unexpected perspective to the word
>> *perezhivanie*. Another shocking perspective of Vygotsky and against the
>> postmodern attitudes of many psychotherapists today comes from the Thesis
>> of    Levykh Michael where he gives an amazing description of the word
>> (leachnost) which the english translation is personality.
>> 
>> Find his thesis in the following link
>> http://summit.sfu.ca/item/9176________________________________________
>> 
>> Best Wishes,
>> Nektarios
>> 
>> 
>> From: xmca-l-bounces+nektarios.alexi=cdu.edu.au@mailman.ucsd.edu<mailto:
>> xmca-l-bounces+nektarios.alexi=cdu.edu.au@mailman.ucsd.edu>
>> [xmca-l-bounces+nektarios.alexi=cdu.edu.au@mailman.ucsd.edu<mailto:
>> xmca-l-bounces+nektarios.alexi=cdu.edu.au@mailman.ucsd.edu>] on behalf of
>> Andy Blunden [ablunden@mira.net<mailto:ablunden@mira.net>]
>> Sent: Monday, 2 November 2015 7:49 PM
>> To: Annalisa Aguilar; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: 4 experiencing fans
>> 
>> The article I am referring to is at
>> http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/10610405.2015.1064721
>> People might be interested in the concept of
>> "psychotherapeutic reliance" for example.
>> The reliance is the process within the patient which the
>> therapist relies upon to resolve the problem, thus
>> separating the technique used by the therapist from the
>> process within the subject which is being relied upon in
>> designing the technique.
>> In pre-Freudian days when the method was hypnosis, the
>> reliance is *suggestibility*.
>> FOr Freudian psychotherapy, the reliance is *awareness*.
>> For Psychodrama, the reliance is *spontaneity*.
>> For Behavioural Therapy, the reliance is *learning*.
>> For Vasilyuk's "Co-experiencing" therapy the reliance is
>> *perezhivanie*, and he goes on to describe the main
>> characteristics of perezhivanie.
>> Andy
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> *Andy Blunden*
>> http://home.pacific.net.au/~andy/
>> On 2/11/2015 6:50 PM, Annalisa Aguilar wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Unfortunately, Andy, that 2nd article is locked down.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Annalisa
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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