[Xmca-l] Re: The Problem with ListServs

[mike cole]

Re Moby Dick?

No. I mean't just the boring old fashioned kind in a beat up, too thick,
paperback edition that cost perhaps 5$ new, back then before you realized
it was more than a task they made you do in college. Something endearing
about dog ears for some of us. :-)

mike

On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Greg Mcverry <jgregmcverry@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Do you mean the emoji version of Moby Dick?: http://www.emojidick.com/
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 1:50 PM mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu> wrote:
>
> > OK, I am seeing this out of sequence and it takes me to the discussion of
> > Maisha Winn's "auto review" of a sequence of her books. So its a thread
> > gatherer. And it reminds me to ask Peter a question!
> >
> > How would you like us to use this facility?
> > mike
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 3:22 AM, Greg Mcverry <jgregmcverry@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I have two email addresses for the listserv. Apologize if this is
> > > duplicate.
> > >
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> > > From: Greg Mcverry <jgregmcverry@gmail.com>
> > > Date: Sat, Mar 28, 2015, 9:28 PM
> > > Subject: The Problem with ListServs
> > > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> > >
> > >
> > > I have been reflecting on XMCA since a recent hiatus..........
> > >
> > > This is a repost of my thoughts
> > >
> > > from:
> > >
> > > http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2015/the-
> > problem-with-list-servs-and-connectedlearning
> > >
> > > List servs work, and work well. That's there major drawback. It is hard
> > to
> > > move academics off of a tool that has functioned long before the Web.
> > >
> > >  Yes it comes with the baggage of bad email practices we suffer through
> > at
> > > work: Unecessary reply-alls, threads being hijacked, threads getting
> too
> > > long and complex, people replying to older threads with totally new
> > topics,
> > > and different formatting.
> > >
> > > This is all before we consider the complexity of different levels of
> > > learners steeped within varying discourses and even languages.
> > >
> > > Even with these major drawbacks learning gets done.
> > > List servs work because distribution discourse works better than
> > > destination discourse.
> > >
> > > Instead of trying to get people to come to your site or join your
> network
> > > the content just comes to you. You decide to reply. As Gina Tripani
> notes
> > > email is truly one of the original federated systems.
> > >
> > > I want to help move folks off of list servs and on to other more open
> > > distribution channels. While it is hard to move people off of tools
> that
> > > work I would like to see groups try new methods.
> > >
> > > *LRA*
> > >
> > > As e-editor of the Literacy Research Association we are trying to
> > encourage
> > > people to publsih their own content and push through our new websites.
> > > Mainly by using the forums. These can be set up just like list servs,
> > your
> > > inbox can be flooded as much as you want. So could your RSS feed.
> > >
> > > *XMCA*
> > >
> > > The Extended Mind Culture and Activity theory was a MOOC long before
> that
> > > was even a thing. There have been people arguing and seeking consensus
> > over
> > >  Russian and German translations of words for over a decade. It is the
> > home
> > > of Open scholarship on Cultural Historical Activity Theory, Vygotsky,
> > > Hegel, Marx and a wonderful group of scholars.
> > >
> > > It is ripe for a tool like Discourse or Known.
> > >
> > > I fall in and out of XMCA. It is a list serv that works too well. So I
> > have
> > > to hide it in my email client if inbox zero were ever to be reached. I
> > > recently bundled XMCA in Google's new inbox tool which means I can see
> > the
> > > messages and quickly dismiss them.
> > >
> > > Its when I need to find an idea again that XMCA gets difficult.
> > >
> > > It also reads like a Novel. The brilliant thought, often outside of my
> > > wheelhouse, makes casual reading impossible. The problem of course is
> it
> > is
> > > email. Searching through email for threads of logic gets hard quick.
> > > Discourse
> > >
> > > I have been playing a bit in discourse with #ccourses and with
> Mozilla's
> > > webmaker (now Mozilla Learning...I think). At first I was hesitant.
> Not a
> > > fan of stackable forums. I like threaded discussions. Showing my age
> > here.
> > >
> > > But the social, the tagging, and the categories make it ideal for a
> > complex
> > > learning space like XMCA. This would be a little more of a closed off
> > space
> > > but would resemble the list serv without all of the baggage (until we
> > > discover the new luggage that folks travel with in new spaces).
> > >
> > > I threw together a quick example
> > > <
> > > http://forum.networkedlearningcollaborative.com/t/winns-exploring-the-
> > literate-trajectories-of-youth-across-time-and-space/18
> > > >(using
> > > recent emails as an example) on my own site (not sure if log-in
> > required).
> > >
> > > http://forum.networkedlearningcollaborative.com/t/winns-exploring-the-
> > literate-trajectories-of-youth-across-time-and-space/18
> > >
> > > XMCA is already installed on a university server. Discourse would be no
> > > different. Except better.
> > > Known
> > >
> > > I am just starting to play with Known but I could easily see it be used
> > for
> > > distributed discourse. You can quickly push it out to everywhere.
> > >
> > > If Wordpress is chess, than Known is Othello. Both allow for endless
> > > learning but one can begin playing Othello almsot immediately.
> > >
> > > Basically as community of academics, in places like XMCA and Listserv,
> we
> > > should encourage people to publish on their own sites and syndicate
> > > everything to a common hub or space.
> > >
> > > Known would be just one example. This can be done with any blogging
> > > platform. The goal should be to own you own content in a federated web.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > "Each new level of development is a new relevant context." C.H.
> Waddington
> >
>



-- 
"Each new level of development is a new relevant context." C.H. Waddington