[Xmca-l] Re: The Problem with ListServs

[mike cole]

One of the interesting things about xmca, GregMcV, is that no one has
expert knowledge
on the range of topics that arise. A few people come very close for pretty
extensive domains and that blows me away. Its like when I went from a
public LA highschool to Oberlin in the late
1950's, and was totally blown away by the level of intellectual depth,
breadth, that my peers were capable of. So with xmca.

And very little showing off/self aggrandizing.

But I would love to see some of the "depth" potential of the discussion
deepen. Subect lines are pretty feeble thread/weaving organizers.

mike

PS- If you are looking for a good novel about a differently virtual
community I would strongly recommend *Moby Dick*. Particular impressive
when read out loud with another. :-)

On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Greg Mcverry <jgregmcverry@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks. I never really explored the archives going to check it out.
>
> In the past I used XMCA as a novel and meant it. I don't have the
> pre-requisite background knowledge for many threads and their is a strong
> expectation for well sourced responses.
>
> So in many ways it has served as a secondary source that allows me to
> return to primary sources with some clarity.
>
> So I thank all, regardless of age. As I said the problem with listservs is
> they work.
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015, 12:13 PM mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu> wrote:
>
> > When an idea is hard to find again, Greg, I use the google search on the
> > lchc web page.
> > Perhaps we need another one just for the xmca archive?
> >
> > Can xmca be done better? Without a doubt. All it requires is the labor of
> > those who lead the way. Applicants over the age of 75 should be eyed with
> > great suspicion.
> >
> > mike
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Greg Mcverry <jgregmcverry@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I have been reflecting on XMCA since a recent hiatus..........
> > >
> > > This is a repost of my thoughts
> > >
> > > from:
> > >
> > > http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2015/the-
> > problem-with-list-servs-and-connectedlearning
> > >
> > > List servs work, and work well. That's there major drawback. It is hard
> > to
> > > move academics off of a tool that has functioned long before the Web.
> > >
> > >  Yes it comes with the baggage of bad email practices we suffer through
> > at
> > > work: Unecessary reply-alls, threads being hijacked, threads getting
> too
> > > long and complex, people replying to older threads with totally new
> > topics,
> > > and different formatting.
> > >
> > > This is all before we consider the complexity of different levels of
> > > learners steeped within varying discourses and even languages.
> > >
> > > Even with these major drawbacks learning gets done.
> > > List servs work because distribution discourse works better than
> > > destination discourse.
> > >
> > > Instead of trying to get people to come to your site or join your
> network
> > > the content just comes to you. You decide to reply. As Gina Tripani
> notes
> > > email is truly one of the original federated systems.
> > >
> > > I want to help move folks off of list servs and on to other more open
> > > distribution channels. While it is hard to move people off of tools
> that
> > > work I would like to see groups try new methods.
> > >
> > > *LRA*
> > >
> > > As e-editor of the Literacy Research Association we are trying to
> > encourage
> > > people to publsih their own content and push through our new websites.
> > > Mainly by using the forums. These can be set up just like list servs,
> > your
> > > inbox can be flooded as much as you want. So could your RSS feed.
> > >
> > > *XMCA*
> > >
> > > The Extended Mind Culture and Activity theory was a MOOC long before
> that
> > > was even a thing. There have been people arguing and seeking consensus
> > over
> > >  Russian and German translations of words for over a decade. It is the
> > home
> > > of Open scholarship on Cultural Historical Activity Theory, Vygotsky,
> > > Hegel, Marx and a wonderful group of scholars.
> > >
> > > It is ripe for a tool like Discourse or Known.
> > >
> > > I fall in and out of XMCA. It is a list serv that works too well. So I
> > have
> > > to hide it in my email client if inbox zero were ever to be reached. I
> > > recently bundled XMCA in Google's new inbox tool which means I can see
> > the
> > > messages and quickly dismiss them.
> > >
> > > Its when I need to find an idea again that XMCA gets difficult.
> > >
> > > It also reads like a Novel. The brilliant thought, often outside of my
> > > wheelhouse, makes casual reading impossible. The problem of course is
> it
> > is
> > > email. Searching through email for threads of logic gets hard quick.
> > > Discourse
> > >
> > > I have been playing a bit in discourse with #ccourses and with
> Mozilla's
> > > webmaker (now Mozilla Learning...I think). At first I was hesitant.
> Not a
> > > fan of stackable forums. I like threaded discussions. Showing my age
> > here.
> > >
> > > But the social, the tagging, and the categories make it ideal for a
> > complex
> > > learning space like XMCA. This would be a little more of a closed off
> > space
> > > but would resemble the list serv without all of the baggage (until we
> > > discover the new luggage that folks travel with in new spaces).
> > >
> > > I threw together a quick example
> > > <
> > > http://forum.networkedlearningcollaborative.com/t/winns-exploring-the-
> > literate-trajectories-of-youth-across-time-and-space/18
> > > >(using
> > > recent emails as an example) on my own site (not sure if log-in
> > required).
> > >
> > > http://forum.networkedlearningcollaborative.com/t/winns-exploring-the-
> > literate-trajectories-of-youth-across-time-and-space/18
> > >
> > > XMCA is already installed on a university server. Discourse would be no
> > > different. Except better.
> > > Known
> > >
> > > I am just starting to play with Known but I could easily see it be used
> > for
> > > distributed discourse. You can quickly push it out to everywhere.
> > >
> > > If Wordpress is chess, than Known is Othello. Both allow for endless
> > > learning but one can begin playing Othello almsot immediately.
> > >
> > > Basically as community of academics, in places like XMCA and Listserv,
> we
> > > should encourage people to publish on their own sites and syndicate
> > > everything to a common hub or space.
> > >
> > > Known would be just one example. This can be done with any blogging
> > > platform. The goal should be to own you own content in a federated web.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > "Each new level of development is a new relevant context." C.H.
> Waddington
> >
>



-- 
"Each new level of development is a new relevant context." C.H. Waddington