[Xmca-l] Re: Vygotsky and Deborin

[Larry Purss]

Anton tells me that this collaboration had a very negative effect on
Vygotsky's career, as Deborin was denounced in January 1931, but in my
humble opinion, seems to have been invaluable in preparing Vygotsky to
write "Thinking and Speech."

Andy, why do you think encountering Deborin's work was "invaluable".
Was Deborin proposing that "thought" and "language" [thinking and speech]
are two distinct realms of development that become intertwined in the
emergence of"verbal thought" as a distinct development?

Why was Deborin denounced in January 1931. It seems that 1931 is the time
when theoretical approaches which focused on "subjectivity" and "meaning"
became dangerous ideas for one's academic career.  Was it also a time when
exploring "gestalt psychology" was challenged?



On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 1:58 AM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:

> I've ordered David Bakhurst's book, which I hope will tell me even more,
> but thanks to Natalia Gajdamschko and via Natalia, Gena Kravtsova, and
> Anton Yasnitsky, I am now certain that Vygotsky never met Deborin, but he
> did collaborate with two of Deborin's supporters in writing a book on
> currents of Psychology in 1930, exactly the time I'm interested in,
> Osnovnye techeniia sovremennoi psikhologii, which is to be found at
> http://www.koob.ru/vigodsky_v_l/main_currents. Anton tells me that this
> collaboration had a very negative effect on Vygotsky's career, as Deborin
> was denounced in January 1931, but in my humble opinion, seems to have been
> invaluable in preparing Vygotsky to write "Thinking and Speech."
>
> Andy
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> *Andy Blunden*
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> mike cole wrote:
>
>> I would consult David Bakhurst's early book.
>> mike
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>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net <mailto:
>> ablunden@mira.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     Is there anyone who can tell me a bit more about the relationship
>>     between Vygotsky and Abram Deborin, who was an editor of "Under
>>     the Banner of Marxism," a fan of Spinoza and I believe the
>>     translator of the Russian version of Hegel's Shorter Logic. I
>>     would be particularly interested in the dates of interactions
>>     between them.
>>     Andy
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>> --
>> It is the dilemma of psychology to deal as a natural science with an
>> object that creates history. Ernst Boesch.
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