[Xmca-l] Re: Ruqaiya Hasan

[mike cole]

Thanks for the starter kit, David. Seems like you and Phil are putting the
process into
motion. Speaking personally, it would be helpful to read through/discuss
one "lesson" at a time. My life is sufficiently fractionated to make it
difficult to both read and write on so much at one time, I will lose my way.

Might it be possible to create a "syllabus" and some sort of rough time
line?
Or is it just me and people need to grok the whole before they can take in
the parts?

mike

On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 3:54 PM, David Kellogg <dkellogg60@gmail.com> wrote:

> This is just to say that I am happy to participate in a commemorative
> Festschrift for Ruqaiya--or maybe a commemorative special issue, along the
> lines of what was done for Leigh Star--in any way I can.
>
> One way to start would be for Henry and for the list to read and
> discuss--and respond to--THIS:
>
> http://lchc.ucsd.edu/mca/Paper/JuneJuly05/HasanVygHallBernst.pdf
>
> Something else to think about: Ruqaiya came to Vygotsky more or less the
> same way Vygotsky did, through the medium of verbal art. So another thing
> to consider is Ruqaiya's work on the structure of fairy tales; by far the
> best thing done thereupon since Vygotsky's work on fables.
>
>
> http://www.equinoxpub.com/journals/index.php/books/article/viewArticle/BOOK-29-752-1
>
> If you can't afford or have trouble reading the original, there's a good
> lecture by Annabelle Lukin on Ruqaiya's theory of generalized text
> structure:
>
> https://vimeo.com/76491567
>
> David Kellogg
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 1:54 AM, mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu> wrote:
>
> > Hi Henry
> >
> > The issue is -- who wishes to take responsibility for such a production.
> > Phil and David have spoken up. Hard to say.
> >
> > The thing about self organizing systems is that the self is not located
> in
> > one particular part
> > of them. THEY have to self organize.
> >
> > You know the old saying, where there is a will there is a way. Very
> > optimistic in my view, but better than the total absence of will as a
> > starting point.
> >
> > Time will tell.
> > betcha
> > mike
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 8:55 AM, HENRY SHONERD <hshonerd@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I am saddened not only by Ruqaiya’s passing by also by how little I
> knew
> > > about Ruqaiya’s work. I hope to correct that now by reading more. Not
> > least
> > > because of what David points out that she adds to Vygotsky: Grammar!
> > There
> > > may be a thousand things that Ruqaiya has contributed to systemic
> > > functional linguistics, but connecting it so explicitly to Vygotsky,
> > THAT I
> > > would like to read more and hear more about. If there is, as Mike
> > suggests,
> > > an MCA honoring of her work, I would very much like to see that
> > connection
> > > “foregrounded” (a term straight out of the Wikipedia article on
> Ruqaiya).
> > > Henry
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jun 25, 2015, at 4:29 AM, David Kellogg <dkellogg60@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I think that Ruqaiya was the only person I ever met who set out to
> > > > "correct" Vygotsky and actually succeeded: her insight was that
> > > Vygotsky's
> > > > theory, without a theory of grammar, was inevitably going to focus
> too
> > > > narrowly on lexical meanings and their historical derivations. As
> > > Vygotsky
> > > > himself pointed out, it's very hard to tell when children's word
> > meanings
> > > > develop. But Ruqaiya pointed out that it's very easy to tell when
> their
> > > > wordings do.
> > > >
> > > > I was hoping to see her at the next ISFC in Germany next month--I'll
> > miss
> > > > her.
> > > >
> > > > David Kellogg
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 4:56 PM, Phil Chappell <philchappell@mac.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Many on this list will know of Ruqaiya Hasan's work and may even
> have
> > > >> joined in an XMCA seminar we had back in the mid noughties. She was
> a
> > > great
> > > >> advocate of intersections between Vygotsky, Halliday, Bernstein and
> > > Marx.
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm sad to pass this message on.
> > > >>
> > > >> Phil Chappell
> > > >>
> > > >> Dear SFL Friends
> > > >>
> > > >> With great sadness I have to tell you that Ruqaiya passed away
> > suddenly
> > > >> yesterday afternoon.  She suffered heart failure, brought on by the
> > > stress
> > > >> of the cancer and the infection, which had so weakened her body.
> > > >> Fortunately Michael was with her at that moment, and for some time
> > > >> beforehand.
> > > >>
> > > >> I have just spoken with Michael, and want to reassure you that he is
> > > doing
> > > >> well in these circumstances - as courageous and determined as you
> know
> > > he
> > > >> would be.
> > > >>
> > > >> There will be a small funeral service in Sydney next week.  The time
> > and
> > > >> date are still being arranged, and details will be posted when they
> > are
> > > >> available.  There will also be a much larger scholarly event to
> > > celebrate
> > > >> Ruqaiya's life and work, and to keep it moving forward, later in the
> > > year
> > > >> at Macquarie University.
> > > >>
> > > >> A wonderful life, an immense scholarly contribution, an
> extraordinary
> > > >> friend to so many people around the world.
> > > >>
> > > >> Best regards,
> > > >> Geoff Williams
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > All there is to thinking is seeing something noticeable which makes
> > you see something you weren't noticing which makes you see something
> > that isn't even visible. N. McLean, *A River Runs Through it*
> >
>



-- 

All there is to thinking is seeing something noticeable which makes
you see something you weren't noticing which makes you see something
that isn't even visible. N. McLean, *A River Runs Through it*