[Xmca-l] Re: Nissen on working with youth

[mike cole]

Larry.

Locally we have been attracted by the idea of "figured worlds" which we
learned from the work of Dotti Holland. A local colleague, Chandra Mukerji,
has written persuasively about, for example, the construction of the
gardens at Versaille and is many practices as creating the space to imagine
Paris as the new (imagined!) Rome.  This idea seems to capture of a lot
what you are gesturing toward in your invocations of space, field,
,,,,,,,,,etc. and that activities that constituted it as a space.

mike

On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote:

> Greg,
> I would answer "yes" that everywhere peoples "care" about "forming
> persons".
>
> So from this recognition of multiple centers of "care" [and also multiple
> standards] how do we embrace "bildung" but avoid ideological imperialism??
>
> I would suggest the notion of "places" as "spaces of formation" that are
> exploring "situated care" and "situated agency".  This involves ethical
> questions of "care"  to be explored and developed within novel formations
> [places].  I would point out that many of these places are using notions
> such as "hybrid" places that are not merely subjective and not merely
> objective but "third spaces" of transformation. I would also suggest they
> are imagining certain "kinds" of persons with certain "dispositions" that
> abide within these formative "places" [or spaces]
>
> Places where we can [with care] bring our notions of "bildung" and ask
> questions of who decides, about what, in which situations.
>
> The Places [zones, clearings, fields, circles, etc] from which we form
> hybrid cultural forms.
> Places not as "literal" but "imaginal" could be ... places, possible
> places, which in creating/discovering THIS "scene" [as an instantiation of
> the possible]  is realizing and articulating "our culture".  [and making
> "real"]
>
> Does this forming places always have to be a dialectical struggle?? Is my
> question a pastoral utopian type question which will not be able to breath
> and come "to life"??
>
> Interpretive community is another way to picture or figure this "place".
>
> How powerful are "models" for showing or indicating the possibility of
> bringing to form an ethical kind of "approach"??  Not standards but a
> different notion of "facets" [as faces of the possible] Always situated,
> never re-producible but using "models" to show the possibility.
>
> Always in full recognition that one person's utopia may be another's
> ideological imperialism.
> Never going beyond the ethical [as the piety of questions]. De-constructing
> the Eurocentric notion of "bidung" and opening a place for hybrid forms
> neither purely subjective nor purely objective.  Third spaces.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Greg Thompson <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > And note that this piece articulates very nicely with the issues on that
> > other thread about the transferrability of pedagogy across socio-cultural
> > contexts, or as Nissen says:
> >
> > " the question whether and how standards of educational practice can be
> > transferred across great spatio-temporal and socio-cultural distances is
> > far from straightforward
> > ​ ​
> > and simple: addressing a Brazilian audience with Danish experience, I was
> > impelled to reconsider it."
> >
> > I would add that this piece also articulates with Martin Packer's issues
> of
> > "constitution" in that Nissen suggests that pedagogy is the "forming of
> > persons".
> >
> > That also takes us back to bildung - is this ideological imperialism?
> >
> > I would argue, with Nissen (I think), that it is not, but rather
> approaches
> > a cultural universal. The particular forms vary dramatically from one
> > cultural context to the next but it seems to me that peoples everywhere
> > care very much about "forming persons".
> >
> > No?
> >
> > -greg
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 9:17 AM, mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > Morten's article from J. Dialogical Pedagogy, "Meeting youth in
> movement
> > > and on neutral ground" attached. I thought this had been posted before
> as
> > > part of the discussion. Apologies.
> > > mike
> > > PS-- Check out the journal. Open access, interesting, or so I think.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > It is the dilemma of psychology to deal as a natural science with an
> > object
> > > that creates history. Ernst Boesch.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
> > Assistant Professor
> > Department of Anthropology
> > 880 Spencer W. Kimball Tower
> > Brigham Young University
> > Provo, UT 84602
> > http://byu.academia.edu/GregoryThompson
> >
>



-- 
It is the dilemma of psychology to deal as a natural science with an object
that creates history. Ernst Boesch.