[Xmca-l] Re: Hegel's imagination

[Andy Blunden]

I have a recollection of discussions in the late 70s/early 
80s where a number of Marxists (whose knowledge of Hegel was 
derivative of Engels in any case) fervently argued that 
Piaget was "compatible" with Marxism and that he was an 
"unconscious" dialectician. I am inclined to believe that 
Piaget never read Hegel, as you say Arthur, but a lot of 
people perceived a likeness. In my own reading of Piaget, 
which is extremely limited - but I did read his Genetic 
Epistemology, for example - is that he has not read Hegel or 
appropriated anything from him. But like Kuhn, the nature of 
the ideas he introduced made many people think of Hegel - 
the concern with sophisticated logic, transformational 
change between stages, for example.

But quite apart from general resemblances with how change 
and development is conceived, the passage I sent the link to 
was from the Subjective Spirit. This is a work which has 
been very little discussed outside of "professional" Hegel 
scholarship until very recent times. If Piaget read Hegel 
that would not suggest that he knew anything about Hegel's 
ideas about Imagination.

Andy
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*Andy Blunden*
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On 9/12/2015 8:48 AM, Bakker, A. (Arthur) wrote:
> Andy, Peter,
>
> I  just read an interesting book by Kitchener (1986) on Piaget:
>
> Kitchener, R. F. (1986). Piaget's theory of knowledge: Genetic epistemology & scientific reason. Yale University Press.
>
> There is a passage on dialectical thinking in Piaget's work, and there is an Hegelian influence, but Kitchener claims that Piaget never read Hegel.
> I brought the book back to the library, so I cannot check the page numbers (cannot find it in google books).
> However in the Cambridge Companion to Piaget, Hegel is mentioned a few times (e.g. p. 163 ff by Campbell) so
>
> Best,
>
> Arthur
>
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> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Hegel's imagination
>
> Andy,
>
> No, it's merely an hypothesis--although I must admit I never bothered to
> check whether Piaget ever made any direct references to Hegel. The basis
> for my hypothesis are several of Piaget's earliest essays in The Essential
> Piaget (Howard Gruber & Jacques Vonèche, Eds.), which are all about *The
> Idea*. Those essays are what led me (years ago) to infer that he was
> fascinated with Hegel. Piaget's later writings, which weave dialectical
> logic into his theory of development, only added further weight to that
> hypothesis.
>
> Apparently, I'm not the only one to see an affinity between Piaget and
> Hegel: Piaget's dialectical approach to development has been examined
> by several philosophers, such as James Lawler and Marx Wartofsky. The
> general critique of Piaget's application of dialectical logic by these
> authors is that it doesn't stick closely enough to Hegel's formulation,
> leading Piaget into inconsistencies.
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
>
>> Do you have any evidence that Piaget studied Hegel?
>> andy
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>> *Andy Blunden*
>> http://home.pacific.net.au/~andy/
>> On 9/12/2015 1:30 AM, Peter Feigenbaum [Staff] wrote:
>>
>>> Andy,
>>>
>>> What an amazing excerpt!  From this one passage alone I can see the
>>> strong influence that Hegel had upon Piaget.
>>>
>>> Thanks for bringing this section of The Subjective Spirit to attention.
>>> It's chock-full of interesting thoughts.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:53 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net <mailto:
>>> ablunden@mira.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/sp/suspirit.htm#SU455
>>>      Andy
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>>>      *Andy Blunden*
>>>      http://home.pacific.net.au/~andy/
>>>      <http://home.pacific.net.au/%7Eandy/>
>>>      On 8/12/2015 3:47 PM, Annalisa Aguilar wrote:
>>>
>>>          Hi Andy,
>>>
>>>
>>>          Would you post a link reference to texts where
>>>          Hegel discusses imagination?
>>>
>>>
>>>          Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>          Annalisa
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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