[Xmca-l] Re: Vygotsky, bernstein and halliday

[David Kellogg]

The article is listed on Joseph Foley's academia.edu page, but when
you click on it you receive a note that says it's not been uploaded
(Taylor and Francis are quite strict about copyright, although they
will usually let you upload an uncorrected proof on sharing sites).
There is a button you can click to ask the author for a personal copy,
though.

One of the puzzling things about Chapter Seven of Thinking and Speech
is that Vygotsky tells us that thought is not made up of seperable
units. If so, in what sense can verbal thinking be said to be verbal?
One way to solve this problem is to say that somehow the separable
units get "added" at the stage of inner speech. But in fact Chapter
Seven makes it very clear that this only true of the New in speech; as
far as the Given, the "semantics" of speech (presumably the addition
of word significations) lies somewhere between the plane of inner
speech and external speech.

Halliday solves this problem. There are three semantic metafunctions,
and only one of them, the ideational (that is, the logical and the
experiential), is truly compontential in its structure. The other two
metafunctions, the interpersonal and the textual, are respectively
"field-like" (with a positive pole and a negative pole) and
"wave-like" (sometimes quite literally so, since textuality has to do
with organizing the transition from Theme to New information,
something realized through the intensity of sound waves in speech).

David Kellogg
Hankuk University of Foreign Studies

On 11 September 2014 02:17, Henry G. Shonerd III <hshonerd@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Larry,
> Your "musings" set of my own. I have got to read Peirce more deeply. I have read that he is the first pragmatist, and that shows in the Vygotsky genealogy available to XMCA. Like Vygotsky and Cantor (think fractals and dynamic systems), Peirce, I think,  will have a greater impact as a "distant teacher" than he did when he lived. (Hope for ALL teachers!) Regarding fuzzy logic, I am attaching a paper by Eleanor Rosch conjecturing on the applicability of fuzzy logic to categories, concepts, and logical deduction. All us Vygotskians are steeped in "concept", which includes logical deduction. Categories (think prototype) and fuzzy logic, I gather, are complementary in that that categories have graded structure but fuzzy logic assigns the probability (0 to 1) of inclusion in a category, a subtle but important difference. Prototype theory and metaphor are the sparks, I think, that got cognitive linguistics and Cognitive Grammar rolling back in the early 80s. Great stuff!
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> P.S. I leave it to someone smarter than me an answer to your question about the metaphorical and the literal. Maybe Rosch has an answer.
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>> The discussion of the metaphor of *scaffolding* which seems to have intuitive appeal but is questioned is also a comment on the power of *metaphor* for forming [and transforming] *modes* of consciousness.
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>> Scaffolding as a metaphor *indicates/gestures* towards the relation of passing on already formed ideas, concepts, names which the listener is to receive and appropriate. It is a *construction* metaphor.  The *building* as David says is already *assumed* to be *designed*
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>> The relation of the *literal* to the *metaphorical* seems important to consider in this metaphor and more generally in the transformative power of metaphor
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>> James Ma in his 2014  article he recently posted [ The Synergy of Peirce and Vygotsky AS an Analytical Approach to the Multimodality of Semiotic Mediation* seems to have potential for relating what he refers to as Vygotsky’s *deductive* focus and Peirce’s *abductive* approach.
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>> to approach the relation of the metaphorical and literal and their *fuzzy boundaries* within *fuzzy logic*  may be  contrasted  *clear and distinct* nominalistic notions.
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>> James Ma explores the notion of *multimodality* [pluralistic modes] such as words AND images
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>> Peirce also developed a concept *interpretive MUSINGS* that I would like leads to follow up.
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>> The centrality of Peirce’s notion of *musings* and its relation to *metaphoricity* and to *abduction* and to *multimodality* I am curious to explore further.
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>> For that I may need *scaffolding* and *building blocks* to constitute [or be constituted by] within  multiple pluralistic polythematic *arrangements* and *orders*
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>> From: Carol Macdonald
>> Sent: ‎Wednesday‎, ‎September‎ ‎10‎, ‎2014 ‎2‎:‎09‎ ‎AM
>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
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>> I would also like a copy, without having to pay $35 for the article.
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>> PS Why don't they  (T&F) open source papers so far back?
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>> On 10 September 2014 10:42, Shirley Franklin s.franklin08@btinternet.com*
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>>> I would also like a copy please.
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>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On 9 Sep 2014, at 22:31, Martin John Packer <mpacker@uniandes.edu.co>
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>>>> Anyone have a copy of this?
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>>>> Vygotsky, bernstein and halliday: Towards a unified theory of L1 and L2
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>>>> Language, Culture and Curriculum
>>>> Volume 4<http://www.tandfonline.com/loi/rlcc20?open=4#vol_4>, Issue 1<
>>> http://www.tandfonline.com/toc/rlcc20/4/1>, 1991
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>>>> DOI:
>>>> 10.1080/07908319109525092
>>>> Joseph Foley
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>>>> <http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/07908319109525092>
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>> Carol A  Macdonald Ph D (Edin)
>> Developmental psycholinguist
>> Academic, Researcher,  and Editor
>> Honorary Research Fellow: Department of Linguistics, Unisa
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