[Xmca-l] Re: Fate, Luck and Chance [Language as a form]

[Martin John Packer]

I think this is right, Huw. There are approaches to consciousness that study its basis in neurobiology and the body, and there are approaches that study its internal organization, as a system in which memory, perception, and so on play a role. Each of us has first-person access to our own consciousness, but to study the consciousness of other people we have to reconstruct it 'from without,' based on the traces that it leaves.

Martin

On Nov 27, 2014, at 6:46 AM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com> wrote:

> On the business of the objectivity of consciousness and focal distinction
> between the experience of consciousness and that which yields it, I think
> we can make the same statement about any scientifically studied phenomena.
> We are not aware of the internally manifest form of any kind of internal
> calculus undertaken by a studied system, yet we may study it from without
> (with meter readings etc) and perform equivalent calculations and follow
> the transformations taking place.  Alternatively, we can study that
> calculus as a system itself, which will have, again, its own internal
> manifestation.  That's how we come to improve our approximations...
> 
> Best,
> Huw