[Xmca-l] Re: Heidegger's Notebooks Renew Focus on Anti-Semitism - NYTimes.com

[David Preiss]

Greg,
Why for you "the antisemitism concern with Heidegger seems to be more problematic than the anti-African concern". Could you please clarify?
Thanks!
David

On Mar 31, 2014, at 11:20 AM, Greg Thompson <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com> wrote:

> Audre Lourde's words seem relevant to the Heidegger debate and particularly
> to the questions that Paul raises:
> "For the master's tools will never dismantle the master's house. They may
> allow us to temporarily beat him at his own game, but they will never
> enable us to bring about genuine change. Racism and homophobia are real
> conditions of all our lives in this place and time. I urge each one of us
> here to reach down into that deep place of knowledge inside herself and
> touch that terror and loathing of any difference that lives here. See whose
> face it wears. Then the personal as the political can begin to illuminate
> all our choices."
> Personally, I've gone back and forth on this quite a bit. I tend to feel
> that a tool is a tool and while some tools are better for doing certain
> things than others, the tool itself has no destiny in itself. Would anyone
> argue differently with Heidegger?
> Are we saying that his whole system was fundamentally antisemitic? and that
> one cannot take up his thinking without being antisemitic?
> And similarly, following Paul, can we take up the ideas of any slave holder
> or slave supporter or otherwise racist individual without taking into us
> their racism?
> Interestingly, for me the antisemitism concern with Heidegger seems to be
> more problematic than the anti-African concern. (and this supports the
> issue that Paul was raising).
> 
> -greg
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 7:54 AM, Martin John Packer <mpacker@uniandes.edu.co
>> wrote:
> 
>> Yes, the problem runs deeper than Heidegger:
>> 
>> <http://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/G/bo3645200.html>
>> 
>> Martin
>> 
>> On Mar 31, 2014, at 4:48 AM, Dr. Paul C. Mocombe <pmocombe@mocombeian.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> As an african/haitian, I am baffled when contemporary scholars want to
>> ban heidegger from philosophy for his so-called antisemitism.   By their
>> logic, people of African descent should be clamoring for the banishment of
>> almost all scholars since descartes who showed any sign of racism in their
>> writings.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dr. Paul C. Mocombe
>>> President
>>> The Mocombeian Foundation, Inc.
>>> www.mocombeian.com
>>> www.readingroomcurriculum.com
>>> www.paulcmocombe.info
>>> 
>>> <div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: David Kellogg <
>> dkellogg60@gmail.com> </div><div>Date:03/30/2014  10:47 PM  (GMT-05:00)
>> </div><div>To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
>> </div><div>Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Heidegger's Notebooks Renew Focus on
>> Anti-Semitism -
>>>      NYTimes.com </div><div>
>>> </div>Martin:
>>> 
>>> I've only seen short extracts from the "Black Notebooks", but what
>>> I've seen suggests that the real problem is not time but precisely the
>>> problem of "worlding" which was mentioned earlier.
>>> 
>>> Jews, according to the "Black Notebooks", are an "unworlded" people,
>>> and because of that they are necessarily parasitic upon peoples who
>>> are deeply and profoundly in the world, i.e. his truly.
>>> 
>>> 
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/31/books/heideggers-notebooks-renew-focus-on-anti-semitism.html?_r=0
>>> 
>>> It's a big world, and there are lots of other things to read. They are
>>> only short extracts, but they are more than enough.
>>> 
>>> David Kellogg
>>> Hankuk University of Foreign Studies
>>> 
>>> On 31 March 2014 10:02, Martin John Packer <mpacker@uniandes.edu.co>
>> wrote:
>>>> Hi David,
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, this always the problem with Heidegger: his appalling politics,
>> both professional and personal.  However, the conceptual problem he was
>> working on was also important to philosophers with very different politics.
>> For example, Lucien Goldmann found parallels between Heidegger and Lukacs
>> (ref below). I find it helpful to (try to) understand what Heidegger was
>> trying to do, and also understand how a philosopher of human existence was
>> unable to prevent himself from becoming a very unpleasant human being. (The
>> problem lies in his treatment of time, in my view.)
>>>> 
>>>> Martin
>>>> 
>>>> Goldmann, L. (1979). Lukacs and Heidegger: Towards a new philosophy.
>> Routledge and Kegan Paul.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mar 30, 2014, at 7:10 PM, David Preiss <daviddpreiss@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> As an aside to the ongoing references to Heidegger... May be of
>> interest or not.
>>>>> DP
>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
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