[Xmca-l] Re: German experts: erlibnis vs. befindlichkeit?

[Ed Wall]

Martin

     Kissel claims that it isn't until Heidigger's Lecture titled Phenomenological Interpretations of Aristotle (1921-22) that he begins to talk much about befindlichkeit so it seems possible there may have been discussions going on before 1927.

      Caputo claims that any phenomenology has a hermeneutical element; however, I am unfamiliar with much naming of Husserl's phenomenology as a hermeneutic phenomenology and I seem to remember that Heidegger later sort of drops discussion of hermeneutic phenomenology which is not taken up much again until Gadamer. Anyway, I would appreciate a reference to Husserl's calling his phenomenology a hermeneutic phenomenology.

Ed

On Mar 30, 2014, at  5:12 PM, Martin John Packer wrote:

> Heidegger's book may well have interested Vygotsky. LSV's teacher Spet had written a book, Appearance & Sense, that had introduced Husserl's transcendental phenomenology to Russian scholars. This introduction was already an appropriation, and with subsequent writing his work increasingly became what was subsequently called hermeneutic phenomenology. Heidegger, Husserl's student, made a similar break with Husserl, drawing on Schleiermacher and others to lay out what he too called a hermeneutic phenomenology.
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> Martin
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> On Mar 30, 2014, at 10:32 AM, Daniel Hyman <daniel.a.hyman.0@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> A most interesting thread. For what it's worth, Vygotsky is known to have
>> read German (Wertsch, J. V. (1985). Vygotsky and the social formation of
>> mind. Cambridge, Mass: Harvard University Press) so the absence/delay of a
>> Russian translation in itself, would not have prevented his reading "Being
>> and Time" in the original.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Martin John Packer <
>> mpacker@uniandes.edu.co> wrote:
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>>> Hi Greg,
>>> 
>>> The Russian term used to translate Befindlichkeit seems to be
>>> настроенность, nastroennost’. Sein und Zeit was published in 1927; I don't
>>> know when it was translated into Russian. (A book by Maryse Dennes suggests
>>> that translation was very late:
>>> <
>>> http://books.google.com.co/books?hl=en&lr=&id=mFEbRNqqfKEC&oi=fnd&pg=PA7&dq=maryse+dennes&ots=kkAXTFNUHw&sig=Dg8fULSIeJ9kd2InipP7E2XSLvk&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Sein%20und%20Zeit&f=false
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thomas Seifrid (The Word Made Self) claims that Sein und Zeit (Heidegger's
>>> first academic publication, I believe) was first reviewed in Russia in
>>> 1928. All of which suggests it was pretty late to have influenced Vygotsky.
>>> 
>>> Martin
>>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2014, at 4:20 PM, Ed Wall <ewall@umich.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Geoff
>>>> 
>>>>   Inwood spends a bit of time (around page 62 in A Heidegger
>>> Dictionary) discussing Heidegger's thinking about erlibnis (he says among
>>> other things that Heidegger was wary of the term and used it to somewhat
>>> suggest 'experience,' but that Heidegger saw it as expressing an inner
>>> event intrinsically detached both from the body and the external world).
>>> Befindlichkeit (Inwood is reasonable here also), on the other hand and for
>>> Heidegger, refers to 'being in a mood' or 'how we sense ourselves' (it is a
>>> bit more complicated than this for Heidegger). To regard moods as
>>> experiences, for Heidegger, ignores the way in which they disclose Dasein
>>> and the World.
>>>> 
>>>>   I, by the way, know quite a bit more Heidegger than German (smile).
>>>> 
>>>> Ed
>>>> 
>>>> On Mar 29, 2014, at  3:34 PM, Greg Thompson wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Trying to figure out the main differences between erlebnis and
>>>>> befindlichkeit. Anyone?
>>>>> 
>>>>> My question stems from the fact that in the marxists.org version of
>>>>> Vygotsky's The Problem of the Environment, the editor (Andy?) notes:
>>>>> "The Russian term *perezhivanie *serves to express the idea that one and
>>>>> the same objective situation may be interpreted, perceived, experienced
>>> or
>>>>> lived through by different children in different ways. Neither
>>> 'emotional
>>>>> experience' (which is used here and which only covers the affective
>>> aspect
>>>>> of the meaning of *perezhivanie*), nor 'interpretation' (which is too
>>>>> exclusively rational) are fully adequate translations of the noun. Its
>>>>> meaning is closely linked to that of the German verb 'erleben' (cf.
>>>>> 'Erlebnis', 'erlebte Wirklichkeit')."
>>>>> 
>>>>> Having some very minimal familiarity with the German term Befindlichkeit
>>>>> (my source: http://www.focusing.org/gendlin_befindlichkeit.html), I was
>>>>> wondering what kinds of differences exist between these terms. (part of
>>> the
>>>>> interest here is in Vygotsky-Heidegger connections - befindlichkeit was
>>> a
>>>>> central term for Heidegger).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Seems like erlebnis would be more of the romantic tradition (pace
>>> Dilthey)
>>>>> and might therefore be the more likely term for Vygotsky's perezhivanie
>>> to
>>>>> map onto, but just wondering about if there is more to this link.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any info much appreciated.
>>>>> -greg
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
>>>>> Assistant Professor
>>>>> Department of Anthropology
>>>>> 883 Spencer W. Kimball Tower
>>>>> Brigham Young University
>>>>> Provo, UT 84602
>>>>> http://byu.academia.edu/GregoryThompson
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