[Xmca-l] Re: Sorry

[Larry Purss]

I read the article by Enerstvedt and am left with more questions. In
particular the notion of both/and in the conjunction BOTH activity AND
interchange.
I am left wondering first if there are clear differences between the
concepts [activity AND interchange] and if these concepts express different
aspects of human nature? For example learning conventional pre existing
forms of activity in contrast to the emergence of novelty within
inter-change, inter-subjective INTER-VALS?
The theme of the *between* AS *inter* and the gap that can never  be
overcome within intervals as THIS gap IS the *beyond* which extends the
conventional AS the truth that the conventional can always be *otherwise*.
However without the conventional there does not exist the *potential* for
the *otherwise* to come into existence.
BOTH/AND
Both *activity* AND *interchange*

Internalization AS both activity and interchange




On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Greg Thompson <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com>wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone has the original Russian for the paragraph that
> is the classic statement by Vygotsky on the concept (I'm not going to be
> able to do anything with it, but I know people who can...). It is on p. 113
> of the Enerstvedt piece, and is taken from Mind in Society, the chapter
> titled Internalization of Higher Psychological Functions. Here is the text:
>
> "An interpersonal process is transformed into an intrapersonal one. Every
> function in
> the child's cultural development appears twice: first on the social level,
> and later, on
> the individual level; first, between people (interpsychological) and then
> inside the child
> (intrapsychological). This applies equally to voluntary attention, to
> logical memory,
> and in the formation of concepts. All the higher functions originate as
> actual relations
> between human beings."
>
> Anyone have the Russian original and could send it to the listserve?
>
> I'm very interested in the Enerstvedt piece and particularly the discussion
> of internalization.
>
> Thanks,
> greg
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 3:37 PM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hans--
> >
> > It is clear from even a rapid scan of the book you sent that there is a
> > great deal there of interest to xmca readers. I for example, would warmly
> > welcome a discussion of the article by Theodor Enerstvedt about
> Rubenshtein
> > and activity theory. Might he be interested in discussing these issues on
> > xmca?
> >
> > Long ago as an even more naive beginner, I reviewed Payne's book on
> > Rubenshtein. I also noted that in the last decade, members of the
> cultural
> > historical school have often included him in their discussions of
> activity.
> > If it is not known to you, an article by Andrei Brushlinsky was published
> > in the precursor to MCA
> >
> > http://lchc.ucsd.edu/Histarch/ap83v5n2.PDF#page=1
> >
> > Note that Leontiev himself has come in for some severe criticism for the
> > affinities between his theory and the Soviet state  (In this regard, I
> have
> > always found it odd that Rubenshtein received a Stalin prize).
> >
> > Anyway, if only for the opportunity to discuss the variety of
> > understandings of the term, internalization, that appear on MCA,it could
> be
> > helpful to discuss the
> > Theodor Enerstvedt piece.
> >
> > mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 5:47 AM, Hans Knutagård <hans.knutagard@hkr.se
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > I am sorry, do not know whar happened to the link. Here it come again
> > >
> > > http://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:696493/FULLTEXT01.pdf
> > >
> > > Yours
> > >
> > > Hans
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
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