[Xmca-l] Re: Maths and science in Russia

[Ulvi İçil]

Thanks Ed.

The picture I attached earlier may have misled me. In the below link.

You seem to be right, Russia does not seem to be particularly successful.

But according to this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trends_in_International_Mathematics_and_Science_Study
.

Countries' scores  with flags.

Russia seems still to be successful than US at TIMSS2011 for eight grade.

On the other hand, I suppose that there is a considerable deterioration,
decentralization and processes alike in Russia after 1990.

About Piaget dominance in US and England;

can it be thought that Piaget's dominance is hindering math curriculum to
be a developed one because it does not take into account early development
of abstract thinking in children?

My question about  Russia's actual math curriculum is still open.









2014-12-22 0:48 GMT+02:00 Ed Wall <ewall@umich.edu>:

> Ulvi
>
>       According to the 2015 TIMSS, the average score of fourth graders in
> the US is 541 where that of England and the Russian Federation is 542. I
> know that, in general, the mathematics curriculum in the US and England has
> nothing much to do with Vygotsky (and yet a lot to do with Piaget). A
> number of mathematics educators think that the math curriculum in the early
> grades in the US is not particularly successful (hat is one of the reasons
> behind some recent reform efforts in the US). Why do you think, given these
> average scores (and, of course, there are questions about TIMSS), the
> curriculum in Russia is "quite successful?"
>
> Ed Wall
> On Dec 21, 2014, at  4:15 PM, Ulvi İçil wrote:
>
> > Thanks Huw.
> > Yes, I know in Davydov it is called learning activity but my question was
> > aimed at the curriculum situation in Russia, current math curriculum
> > applied in Russia's primary schools?
> > What is this curriculum? Is it the one proposed by Davydov or bearing
> > another name?
> > And to put it in terms of Vygotsky, is the curriculum currently applied,
> > and which seems to be quite successful, has anything to do with
> Vygotskian
> > theory in Russia and in other countries where maths seems to be a
> > successful discipline in primary years.
> >
> > Best,
> > Ulvi
> >
> >
> > 2014-12-22 0:01 GMT+02:00 Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>:
> >
> >> Ulvi,
> >>
> >> The essential 'method' is to facilitate students'  own experimentation
> with
> >> methods.  This is called learning activity.
> >>
> >> Huw
> >>
> >> On 21 December 2014 at 12:15, Ulvi İçil <ulvi.icil@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
> >>> I know there are some works comparing Russia (Davydov's curriculum) and
> >> US,
> >>> and even some works done in US with an application of Davydov's, e.g.
> by
> >>> Schmittau.
> >>>
> >>> I would like to know, not in detail, but just in general, which main
> >>> factors lie behind this success in Russia, it is Davydov, or Zarkov or
> >> any
> >>> other scholar's method.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks in advance,
> >>>
> >>> Ulvi
> >>>
> >>
>
>
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