[Xmca-l] Re: Chomsky, Vygotsky, and phenomenology

[Dr. Paul C. Mocombe]

Yes to follow descartes is problematic...(just because you can think something apart does not mean it is apart in reality)...descartes' error, he assumed his ability to think has ontological status...But kant ' s introduction of the synthetic a prior fixes descartes, refutes Hume ' s skepticism,  and reinvents locke.  I read Chomsky as searching, empirically, for the embodied forms of understanding and sensibilities by which we experience being in the world. He stops there.  Vygotsky completes chomsky...my reading...i maybe wrong.


Dr. Paul C. Mocombe
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<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: "Glassman, Michael" <glassman.13@osu.edu> </div><div>Date:12/17/2014  1:29 PM  (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu> </div><div>Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Chomsky, Vygotsky, and phenomenology </div><div>
</div>That's an interesting question Paul.  Would you consider generations of people trying to solve an impossible to solve a Rubric's cube those who agreed with the puzzle or those who disagreed with the puzzle.  I think we have a similar problem with philosophers who followed Des Cartes.

Michael
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Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Chomsky, Vygotsky, and phenomenology

Vera,

When you say chomsky is a Cartesian are you saying he is a rationalist in the kantian camp?  Chomsky refers to himself and his efforts as kantian.  By no means would i call kant a Cartesian.  I would call Husserl a Cartesian? But not Kant and Chomsky. ..see the video below:

Watch "Noam Chomsky - Ideas of Chomsky BBC Interview (fu…" on YouTube
Noam Chomsky - Ideas of Chomsky BBC Interview (fu…: http://youtu.be/3LqUA7W9wfg


Dr. Paul C. Mocombe
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<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Vera John-Steiner <vygotsky@unm.edu> </div><div>Date:12/17/2014  12:53 PM  (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: "'eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity'" <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu> </div><div>Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Chomsky, Vygotsky, and phenomenology </div><div>
</div>While Chomsky is indeed very influential his approach to language and its
acquisition is opposite to that of Vygotsky. He focuses on syntax while
Vygotsky focuses on semantics.
He proposes an innate language acquisition device while Vygotsky approaches
language developmentally. (I am repeating some of Carol's points.) He is a
Cartesian,while Vygotsky
Opposed mind/body dualism. And the list goes on.
I don't think he can be integrated into CHAT.
Vera
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Do you think Chomsky knows he is? Howard Gardner is a very generous fellow.

On 17 December 2014 at 16:28, Martin John Packer <mpacker@uniandes.edu.co>
wrote:
>
> oh, I just read your second paragraph...
>
> Howard Gardner lists Noam Chomsky as one of the "founders of cognitive
> science," along with Jerome Bruner, John McCarthy, George Miller, and
> Allen Newell (1985, p. 23).
>
> Gardner, H. (1985). The mind's new science: A history of the cognitive
> revolution. New York: Basic Books.
>
> Martin
>
> On Dec 17, 2014, at 8:54 AM, Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Well yes, and as linguistic and psychology student I was very proud
> > of
> him
> > for his review, it made me laugh and laugh.  But Chomsky never read
> Piaget
> > or Vygotsky.  He would have been interested in Vygotsky's
> > interpretation
> of
> > Behaviousrism.
> >
> > As to cognitive psychology - well I suppose we should be pleased,
> > but Chomsky had no direct hand in that.
> >
> > Carol.
> >
> > On 17 December 2014 at 14:49, Martin John Packer <
> mpacker@uniandes.edu.co>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Chomsky knew enough about psychology to write a devastating review of
B.
> >> F. Skinner's book 'Verbal behavior,' which still makes very
> >> interesting reading. And Chomsky's own book 'Syntactic Structures'
> >> was one of the
> key
> >> components in the emergence of cognitive psychology in the late
> >> 1950s,
> as
> >> Howard Gardner's book makes clear.
> >>
> >> Martin
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Carol A  Macdonald Ph D (Edin)
> > Developmental psycholinguist
> > Academic, Researcher,  and Editor
> > Honorary Research Fellow: Department of Linguistics, Unisa
>
>
>

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Carol A  Macdonald Ph D (Edin)
Developmental psycholinguist
Academic, Researcher,  and Editor
Honorary Research Fellow: Department of Linguistics, Unisa