[Xmca-l] Re: Imagination
Andy Blunden
ablunden@mira.net
Sun Dec 14 16:57:24 PST 2014
"Recollection" is a translation of Erinnerung, and "Memory" is Gedaechtnis.
The whole piece on Representation (Vorstellung) and Imagination
(Einbildungskraft) is at
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/sp/suspirit.htm#SU451
Attached is a couple of pages from Michael Inwood's excellent Hegel
Dictionary explaining the differences between what these terms mean.
I take it that Erinnerung is to be reminded of something, whereas
Gedaechtnis is "thinking about something" and as you can read, is
closely connected to the word.
Andy
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*Andy Blunden*
http://home.pacific.net.au/~andy/
mike cole wrote:
> Andy- It was the Russians who pointed me toward Kant and they are
> doing contemporary work in which they claim Vygotsky and his followers
> as an inspiration. Some think that LSV was influenced by Hegel, so its
> of course interesting to see those additional categories emerge.
>
> 19th Century psychological vocabulary, especially in translation,
> seems awfully slippery territory to me. The word, "recollection" in
> this passage, for example, is not a currently used term in counter
> distinction to "memory."
> Normal problems. There are serious problems in contemporary discourse
> across languages as our explorations with out Russian colleagues have
> illustrated.
>
> That said, I feel as if I am learning something from theorists who
> clearly influenced Vygotsky and early psychology -- when it was still
> possible to include culture in it.
>
> Ribot has a book called "Creative Imagination" which, interestingly
> links imagination to both movement and the meaning of a "voluntary"
> act. Parts of it are offputting, primitives thinking like children
> stuff that was also "in the air" for example. But at present the
> concepts of creativity and imagination are thoroughly entangled, so
> its curious to see that the two concepts are linked.
>
> Just cause its old doesn't mean its useless, he found himself writing.
> mike
>
>
> Its difficult, of course, to know the extent to which pretty old
> approaches to a pesum
>
> On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net
> <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>> wrote:
>
> I know we want to keep this relatively contemporary, but it may be
> worth noting that Hegel's Psychology also gave a prominent place
> to Imagination in the section on Representation, mediating between
> Recollection and Memory. He structured Imagination as (1)
> Reproductive Imagination, (2) Associative Imagination (3)
> Productive Imagination, which he says leads to the Sign, which he
> describes as Productive Memory. In other words, the transition
> from immediate sensation to Intellect is accomplished through
> these three grades of Imagination.
>
> Andy
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *Andy Blunden*
> http://home.pacific.net.au/~andy/
> <http://home.pacific.net.au/%7Eandy/>
>
>
> mike cole wrote:
>
> Here are some questions I have after reading Strawson and
> Williams.
>
> Kant et al (including Russian developmentalists whose work i
> am trying to
> mine for empirical
> strategies and already-accumulated results) speak of productive
> imagination. The Russians write that productive imagination
> develops.
>
> At first I thought that the use of productive implies that
> there must be a
> kind of imagination called UNproductive imagination. But I
> learned that
> instead the idea of RE-productive imagination appears and is
> linked to
> memory.
>
> So, it seems that imagination is an ineluctable part of
> anticipation and
> memory.
> Imagine that!
> mike
>
> On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 12:16 PM, HENRY SHONERD
> <hshonerd@gmail.com <mailto:hshonerd@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> Strawson provides a long view historically on imagination
> (starting with
> Hume and Kant), Williams a more contemporaneous look, and
> provides a space
> for imagination not afforded by the socio-cultural as
> fixed. This, coupled
> with Pelaprat and Cole on Gap/Imagination, gives me a
> ground to take part
> in the thread on imagination. Of course, I start with
> preconceptions: Vera
> on creative collaboration and the cognitive grammarian
> Langacker on
> symbolic assemblies in discourse and cognitive domains,
> particularly the
> temporal. Everyday discourse, it seems to me, is full of
> imagination and
> creativity. I am terribly interested in two aspects of
> temporality:
> sequence and rhythm (including tempo and rhythmic
> structure), which I think
> must both figure in imagination and creativity, for both
> individual and
> distributed construals of cognition and feeling.
> Henry
>
>
>
> On Dec 13, 2014, at 12:01 PM, Larry Purss
> <lpscholar2@gmail.com <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Henry, Mike, and others interested in this topic.
>
> I too see the affinities with notions of the third
> *space* and the
>
>
> analogy
>
>
> to *gap-filling*
> I am on holiday so limited access to internet.
> However, I wanted to mention Raymond Williams and his
> notion of
>
>
> "structures
>
>
> of feeling" that David K references. This notion is
> explored under the
> notion of historical *styles* that exist as a *set* of
> modalities that
>
>
> hang
>
>
> together. This notion suggests there is a form of
> knowing that is
>
>
> forming
>
>
> but has not yet formed [but can be "felt"
> [perceived??] if we think
> imaginatively. Raymond explores the imaginal as *style*
> Larry
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 4:38 PM, HENRY SHONERD
> <hshonerd@gmail.com <mailto:hshonerd@gmail.com>>
>
>
> wrote:
>
>
> Mike and Larry,
> I promise to read your profer, but just want to
> say how jazzed up I am
>
>
> now
>
>
> about this thread. My mind has been going wild,
> the mind as Larry
>
>
> construes
>
>
> it. I ended up just now with a triad, actually
> various triads, finally
> found my old friend Serpinski. Part now of my
> notebooks of the mind, as
> Vera would construe it. I’ll be back! Gap adentro,
> luega pa’ fuera.
> Fractally yours,
> Henry
>
>
>
> On Dec 12, 2014, at 5:09 PM, mike cole
> <mcole@ucsd.edu <mailto:mcole@ucsd.edu>> wrote:
>
> For those interested in the imagination
> thread, attached are two
>
>
> articles
>
>
> by philosophers who have worried about the issue.
>
> My current interest stems from the work of
> CHAT theorists like
>
>
> Zaporozhets
>
>
> and his students who studied the development
> of imagination in a manner
> that, it turns out, goes back to Kant's notion
> of productive
>
>
> imagination. I
>
>
> am not advocating going back to Kant, and have
> no intention of doing
>
>
> so.
>
>
> But these ideas seem worth pursuing as
> explicated in the attached
>
>
> texts.
>
>
> Through reading the Russians and then these
> philosophers, I came upon
>
>
> the
>
>
> idea that perception and imagination are very
> closely linked at several
> levels of analysis. This is what, in our
> naivete, Ettienne and I argued
>
>
> in
>
>
> our paper on imagination sent around earlier
> as a means of access to
>
>
> the
>
>
> work of the blind-deaf psychologist, Alexander
> Suvorov. Moreover, such
> views emphasize the future orientation of the
> perception/imagination
> process. I believe that these views have
> direct relevance to Kris's
>
>
> paper
>
>
> to be found on the KrisRRQ thread, and also
> speak to concerns about the
> role of different forms of symbolic play in
> development.
>
> So here are the papers on the imagination
> thread. Perhaps they will
>
>
> prove
>
>
> useful for those interested.
> mike
>
> --
> It is the dilemma of psychology to deal with a
> natural science with an
> object that creates history. Ernst Boesch.
> <Imagination and Perception by P.F. Strawson.pdf>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> It is the dilemma of psychology to deal with a natural science with an
> object that creates history. Ernst Boesch.
>
>
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