[Xmca-l] Re: Ventriloquation re-ducks

[mike cole]

Larry--  The etymological research was Eugene, not me. Sorry if my
summarizing was inaccurate on who said what.

I assume there are a great many varieties and modes of ventriloquation that
can be characterized the various terms you propose. In every case under
consideration its clearly important to identify the communication in such
terms to be relevant...... gotta rise to the concrete, and in doing so, to
fill out the concept in as much detail as the conclusions you want to reach
seem to require.
mike


On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 4:08 AM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Mike.
>
> The exploration of voice *as* ventrilocation projected within
> puppets circulating around persons and personas in character are using
> metaphors of the stage and theater. [all life is a stage]
>
> I wonder more about the notion of  the types of genres AND tropes within
> which the persona and masks are actually expressed.
> I hear more the question of *voicedness* and *multivoicided* expressed
> within multiple *traditions* [genres, tropes] and it is not merely our
> personal voices being generated, but the actual *traditions* speaking
> through us given voices which
> , are *returning to the conversation. I wonder how often it is NOT the
> puppets ventriloquating as it is our  anscestors speaking?
> The question *who* is doing the speaking is a deeply complex question. Yes
> our voices can speak as *intra* voices, they can speak as inner and outer
> voices, they can speak as outer voices but returning to the discussion of
> play and playworlds, our are voices also expressed within *worlds* emerging
> in our conversations.
>
> I would like to introduce a notion of*generous* readers and *generous
> listeners* who in their interactions with interlocutors are also
> participating with ancestors [and traditions, genres, tropes]. Generous and
> generativity as reading that OPENS ZONES OR CLEARINGS of *care*.
>
> I have been using the *concept* ventriloquation to express the truth that
> we are all *crows* who steal each others egg words and fill them with our
> own *meanings* and *sense*[David K's metaphor].
> As Mike showed in the etymology of the word *ventriloquation* there are
> many crows.  However these egg words when transformed [translated] are also
> expressing particular *traditions* within which the newly filled egg word
> makes sense.
>
> Ventriloquintation as an egg word is not making puppets or masks speak. I
> wonder if it is more constitutive a process that develop how *I* speak.
> This notion of 1st person, 2nd person, and 3rd person *voice* as
> constituting new forms of *character formation [and new forms of
> socioability.
>
> I'll pause
> Larry
>