[Xmca-l] Re: Mystery progressive educator?

[Huw Lloyd]

On 18 August 2013 21:54, <carolmacdon@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Hugh + thread
>
> Shame on you guys. Mike gave us a genuine puzzle and we could spent happy
> hours surmising who this might be, and now the puzzle is flattened by
> google. Instant gratification!
>
> I think it is the complex within the simple, Huw?
>

Ah, I had a spatial metaphor in mind, Carol.  Domain as a map.  As such,
one may go beyond the simple, that is carefully revealed within the complex
by domain/historical analysis, to discover the complex.

Huw



> Carol
>
> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>
> Sender: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 23:18:53
> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity<xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> Reply-To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Mystery progressive educator?
>
> Most of the discord is in the terms rather than the meaning, I think.
>
> For me, the main problem is his "simple to complex", I would say, rather,
> "the simple within the complex".
>
> Given the importance of the introduction to problems, "self evolution"
> hardly seems appropriate.  Presumably "instruction" had a fairly
> unambiguous meaning in the 19th century.  But I don't think things have
> changed that much.
>
> But this continues to be a thought provoking puzzle: to the degree that a
> student is guided, they are not exercising their own skill in orienting to
> the task.  Spencer, it seems, is suggesting guidance is best resumed when
> the student loses their appreciation for the task.  So where do we locate
> the tenacity to accommodate unresolved problems etc?
>
> But then Spencer was a philosopher, which locates him amongst those who
> chose thinking as a way of life...
>
> I recall reading recently that the development of personality was
> acknowledged by Danish legislative governance for education.  In reading
> Davydov it seems he had considerable success in raising a population of
> students who were doing something resembling intensive thinking...
>
> But for those who do not value thought etc. in quite the same way,
> schooling provides a different, more immediate, need. It seems to me that
> in all forms of instruction the question is implicated -- what kind of
> development (personality) am I working with/ supporting?
>
> Huw
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> On 17 August 2013 20:47, Martin John Packer <mpacker@uniandes.edu.co>
> wrote:
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> > Who also coined "the survival of the fittest," so perhaps it's no great
> > surprise.
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> > Martin
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> > On Aug 17, 2013, at 2:24 PM, "White, Phillip" <
> Phillip.White@ucdenver.edu>
> >  wrote:
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> > >
> > > Even earlier, Herbert Spencer, 1870's.
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> > > Phillip
> > >
> > > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
> > > From: Peter Smagorinsky
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 12:54 PM
> > > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > > Reply To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > > Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Mystery progressive educator?
> > >
> > >
> > > And, in 1896, http://www.gutenberg.org/files/20513/20513-h/20513-h.htm
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu [mailto:
> > xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Peter Smagorinsky
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 2:48 PM
> > > To: lchcmike@gmail.com; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > > Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Mystery progressive educator?
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://archive.org/stream/teachingoforalen00bolerich/teachingoforalen00bolerich_djvu.txtincludesthe quote as its framing perspective, so it must have impressed a
> > few people. Note that the book is from 1914, the year before Vygotsky
> began
> > his work on The Psychology of Art.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu [mailto:
> > xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of mike cole
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 1:30 PM
> > > To: xmca-l@ucsd.edu
> > > Subject: [Xmca-l] Mystery progressive educator?
> > >
> > > Ran across the following interesting statement by accident and was
> > surprised a little at the authorship. I thought others might be
> interested
> > in it as well. I'll leave off authorship because part of what I found
> > interesting was in figuring out who it was.
> > >
> > >
> > > mike
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> > > Children should be led to make their own investigations, and to draw
> > this won inferences. They should to *told* as little as possible, and
> > indeed to *discover *as much as possible. Humanity has progressed solely
> by
> > self-instruction;
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