[Xmca-l] Re: CHAT and Community Psychology
mike cole
lchcmike@gmail.com
Mon Aug 12 12:03:40 PDT 2013
Lovely, Gentlemen, but the attachments did not make it from Andy to
XMCA so far as I can tell. Roland and Cliff, you might want to join
xmca long enough for this discussion. The signup is at
http://lchc-resources.org/xmca/
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 6:55 AM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
> Thank you very much for your considered response, Roland and Cliff.
>
> Just a couple of follow ups, because I think healing an interdisciplinary
> gap requires the maximum possible clarity over shared concepts.
>
> (1) I am still not clear about the meaning of "acitivity setting." I have
> read Wertsch, and I have nothing at all against him, but I am just not as
> familiar with his work as I would like to be. But I have read a lot of
> Vygotsky and never came across the term "activity setting" in Vygotsky's
> writing. There may be an issue of different translations possibly. I wonder
> if you could perhaps scan a page of a book where Vygotsky explains his
> meaning or at least uses the term.
> I have generally come across the term used to indicate, for example, the
> school, or family or a specific workplace, and the norms and rules and
> expectations prevailing in those settings. I gather you take "setting" to
> refer to a particular, rather than a general, such as "family" or "school."
> So "Sandy Bay Elementary" would be an activity setting, but not "school,"
> which would be just a type of activity setting. I see that "activity
> setting" is an activity, but includes the particulars, such as the
> participating individuals and the physical surroundings. It seems such an
> important concept for you, as Community Psychologists, I would appreciate
> more specification.
>
> (2) By me taking an extreme example (slavery) we quickly achieved
> agreement that further specification of "shared activities" is needed for
> an understanding of how mutual understanding arises. (Of course it did to
> an extent under slavery too). I categorise forms of collaboration into 3
> modes: direction (line management, command-and-obey, as pertains in the
> normal capitalist firm or public service department), exchange (purchase
> and sale, customer-service provider, as pertains in the market place) and
> collaboration as such (mutual criticism, shared attribution and
> decision-making). It seems to me that distinctions like these are
> important. Being a teacher or boss in a community, especially if you are
> otherwise an outsider, can be problematic, even though you are engaged in a
> "shared activity" with the locals. I was really impressed by the examples
> you cited, so obviously you have thought these issues through. What is the
> anatomy of an "activity setting" then?
>
> (3) What other ways do you conceptualise "context"?
>
> Thanks,
> Andy
> (and please not "Professor," I am an independent scholar, retired.)
>
>
> Roland Tharp wrote:
>
>> Professor Blunden,
>>
>> Please find our responses to your questions attached. Thank you for your
>> interest.
>>
>> Roland Tharp
>> Cliff O'Donnell
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 3:58 AM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net <mailto:
>> ablunden@mira.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for sharing that very interesting paper, Mike. From what I
>> see, there is little justification for the dislocation between
>> these two research communities - CHAT and Community Psychology.
>> Their aims, sources and methods seem so similar and compatible.
>>
>> I would just like to ask the authors a couple of questions.
>>
>> * Do you take "activity setting" to be the optimal conception of
>> "context"?
>>
>> * What exactly do they understand by "activity setting"? You cite
>> Vygotsky in a book edited by Wertsch, but I do not have that book.
>> I associate "activity setting" with the current of CHAT around
>> Mariane Hedegaard. It seems to me to be similar in meaning to
>> "institution". Thus I quetion the efficacy of this concept for
>> grasping social change, as opposed to just child development.
>>
>> * Is "mutual understanding" is what you mean by "intersubjectivity"?
>>
>> * I agree that participation in shared activities is the necessary
>> condition for peope to achieve mutual understanding. But this is
>> not necessarily the outcome, is it? It depends on the type of
>> collaboration within the activity. EG White slaveowners and black
>> slaves collaborated in the production of cotton in the Confederate
>> States of America for many years, but this did not result in
>> mutual understanding. So it seems that the notion of "shared
>> actvities" needs further specification. Yes?
>>
>> thanks
>> Andy
>>
>>
>
>
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