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Quite so, Michael, but one of the consequences of my social relations is a habit of imagining a limen between 'my' thoughts and those which come to 'me' from outside. I  happy to consider this an illusion but I am also prepared to accept that different people can be constituted differently so that we each refract the flow of 'interaction' differently. Isn't it this that makes meeting other people interesting? As you say, meeting is not something we can do on our 'own'.

All the best,

Rod

On 7 Aug 2017 6:14 pm, Wolff-Michael Roth <wolffmichael.roth@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Rod,
you use the verb *internalize*, and it may get you immediately into
trouble. When you read Mikhailov or G.H. Mead, you will see that any inner,
self, is a *consequence* of social relations, a result of a continuous
coming and going. Even private cogitations, or writing into a diary is
social through and through (Mead, Vygotsky); pure idiolect is impossible
(Feuerbach, Vygotsky, & Nancy).  The other thing, mêlée is not a thing, not
a mixture, but flow.

I personally do not think in terms of *inter*action, because such
theorizing begins with the self-contained subjects, whereas in *trans*action,
the parts cannot be independently defined--no seller without buyer, no
reply without a query.

Anyone who can get to the point to see him/herself as constituted by the
relation, who lives the relation first before the self, who is in a
position to say that who s/he is is a function of the relation rather than
the other way around (as in "I am putting so much into the relation, s/he
is not giving back...") will live a transformation.

Cheers and back to British Columbia long weekend Monday-off

Michael



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On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 1:48 AM, Rod Parker-Rees <
R.Parker-Rees@plymouth.ac.uk> wrote:

> Many thanks Michael,
>
> I have just read your chapter 'In Praise of the Mêlée' and it has
> certainly whetted my appetite to find out more about Nancy's writing. I
> think there is huge potential in the shifting of focus from a language of
> ownership and enclosure ('my own mind') to recognition of the fluidity of
> interactions among substantially shared minds. I have also just read
> Fernyhough's 'Voices of the mind' (so many wisps, eddies and threads to
> follow from this discussion) and the resulting mêlée has got me thinking
> about how the sharing of minds (or of mindings) which we internalise into
> 'private' thinking involves so much more than just the words which bob on
> the surface of our interactions. It is not only 'voices' which we
> internalise but whole, embodied interactions - the full mêlée of our bodily
> responses to another person which make them the person we know. While some
> forms of interaction, like the (almost) entirely text-based exchanges here,
> may appear to flow above the undercurrents of bodies and their everyday
> lives, these deeper interactions still shape the ripples we are able to see
> and share. I say almost entirely text-based because I am sure there are
> some contributors to this group who have had opportunities to meet 'in
> person' and I suspect that this must affect the way they read each other's
> contributions.
>
> I am looking forward to participating in the métissage of the ISCAR
> conference in Quebec.
>
> All the best,
>
> Rod
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Wolff-Michael Roth
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> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Melee.pdf
>
> No, this is not Jean-Luc Nancy's piece. This is my own article on the
> topic of scientific literacy. Michael
>
>
> Wolff-Michael Roth, Lansdowne Professor
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> On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 4:03 PM, Lplarry <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I GOOGLED RECOMMENDATION AND THIS PDF APPEARED
> >
> > Melee.pdf
> >
> >
> > http://web.uvic.ca/~mroth/teaching/600-13Fall/1007/Melee.pdf
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