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[Xmca-l] Re: Hegel on Action



Not sure, Larry. Do you mean George Herbert Mead's symbolic interactionism?

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*James Ma*  *https://oxford.academia.edu/JamesMa
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On 15 July 2017 at 14:41, Lplarry <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote:

> James,
> This phrase (sign in the mind) reminds me of the concept (symbolic
> interactionism) and the history of that tradition  or discursive community
> who were  linking (symbolic) with (interactionism).
> Not sure if this is off track or not
>
> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
>
> From: Andy Blunden
> Sent: July 15, 2017 5:30 AM
> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Hegel on Action
>
> James, I think you're using "material" in some specific
> sense which is unknown to me. It seems to me to be something
> to do with body language as opposed to speech, maybe
> practical consciousness rather than discursive
> consciousness. "Material" understood as meaning "made of
> matter" would simply be the opposite of "in my imagination".
> I find it difficult to get my head around the idea of a
> "sign in the mind" and if "mind" was some place other than
> the material world where a sign could be located. I'm sure
> what you are talking about is perfectly good, but I can't
> relate it to the absolutely basic ontological issue which
> you raised out of my paper about action.
>
> Andy
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Andy Blunden
> http://home.mira.net/~andy
> http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making
>
> On 15/07/2017 8:15 PM, James Ma wrote:
> > Thanks for such helpful explanation, Andy.
> > Regarding my last question, I mean one's feeling or sense
> > perception involved in social practice in a social context
> > possesses the material quality of a psychic image (a sign
> > in the mind). This material quality can be one's facial
> > expression or bodily movement connected with a particular
> > feeling.
> >
> > James
> >
> > /_____________________________________/
> >
> > */James Ma/*///https://oxford.academia.edu/JamesMa/
> >
> >
> >
> > On 15 July 2017 at 09:42, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net
> > <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>> wrote:
> >
> >     James, the meaning for words such as "material" and to
> >     a lesser extent the other words in your message have
> >     meanings which are extremely context (or discourse)
> >     dependent. The Stanford Encyclopaedia of Philosophy
> >     doesn't have a definition of Matter, considering it
> >     only in relation to Form, but their definition of
> >     Substance will do the trick. I follow Lenin and
> >     Vygotsky in my understanding of matter. (Hegel didn't
> >     like to use the word, because he took it as too linked
> >     to Atomism. Marx used "material" in a very specific
> >     way to do with reproduction of the means of life.)
> >
> >     As to the philosophical meaning of "matter" I think I
> >     said it in the paper as succinctly as possible. If
> >     it's in the mind then it is not material. I can't make
> >     sense of your last question.
> >
> >     Andy
> >
> >     ------------------------------------------------------------
> >     Andy Blunden
> >     http://home.mira.net/~andy <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy>
> >     http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-
> decision-making
> >     <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-
> collective-decision-making>
> >
> >     On 15/07/2017 6:28 PM, James Ma wrote:
> >
> >         This is interesting to me, Andy. Do you rule out
> >         anything that has material quality but is actually
> >         associated with a mental sign (a sign in the mind,
> >         as Peirce would say)? Do you consider social
> >         practice (you mentioned earlier) to be tinted with
> >         the intrapsychological within oneself?
> >
> >         James
> >
> >         /_____________________________________/
> >
> >         */James
> >         Ma/*///https://oxford.academia.edu/JamesMa/
> >         <https://oxford.academia.edu/JamesMa/>
> >
> >
> >
> >         On 15 July 2017 at 07:11, Andy Blunden
> >         <ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>
> >         <mailto:ablunden@mira.net
> >         <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>>> wrote:
> >
> >             No, it would be spreading confusion, Greg.
> >
> >             "Matter" in this context is everything outside
> >         of my
> >             consciousness. "Activity" in this context is
> >         human,
> >             social practice. Moving attention to the
> >         sub-atomic
> >             level, a field where we have no common sense,
> >         sensuous
> >             knowledge, does not help.
> >
> >             Andy
> >
> >
> >         ------------------------------------------------------------
> >             Andy Blunden
> >         http://home.mira.net/~andy
> >         <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy>
> >         <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy>
> >         http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-
> decision-making
> >         <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-
> collective-decision-making>
> >
> >         <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-
> collective-decision-making
> >         <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-
> collective-decision-making>>
> >
> >             On 15/07/2017 2:31 PM, Greg Thompson wrote:
> >
> >                 Andy,
> >                 Just musing here but I'm wondering if
> >         "matter" is
> >                 anything more than activity, particularly when
> >                 considered at the sub-atomic level.
> >                 At that level, matter seems a lot more
> >         like the
> >                 holding of relations in some activity (not so
> >                 different from the Notion?).
> >                 Or would that be taking things too far?
> >                 -greg
> >
> >                 On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 10:12 PM, Andy Blunden
> >                 <ablunden@mira.net
> >         <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>
> >         <mailto:ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>>
> >                 <mailto:ablunden@mira.net
> >         <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>
> >                 <mailto:ablunden@mira.net
> >         <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>>>> wrote:
> >
> >                     Anyone who got interested in that
> >         material about
> >                     "Hegel on Action", here is my
> >         contribution.
> >
> >         https://www.academia.edu/33887830/Hegel_on_Action
> >         <https://www.academia.edu/33887830/Hegel_on_Action>
> >
> >         <https://www.academia.edu/33887830/Hegel_on_Action
> >         <https://www.academia.edu/33887830/Hegel_on_Action>>
> >
> >          <https://www.academia.edu/33887830/Hegel_on_Action
> >         <https://www.academia.edu/33887830/Hegel_on_Action>
> >
> >         <https://www.academia.edu/33887830/Hegel_on_Action
> >         <https://www.academia.edu/33887830/Hegel_on_Action>>>
> >
> >                     Andy
> >
> >
> >                     --
> >         ------------------------------------------------------------
> >                     Andy Blunden
> >         http://home.mira.net/~andy
> >         <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy>
> >                 <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy>
> >                 <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy>
> >         http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-
> decision-making
> >         <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-
> collective-decision-making>
> >
> >         <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-
> collective-decision-making
> >         <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-
> collective-decision-making>>
> >
> >          <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-
> collective-decision-making
> >         <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-
> collective-decision-making>
> >
> >         <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-
> collective-decision-making
> >         <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-
> collective-decision-making>>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >                 --         Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
> >                 Assistant Professor
> >                 Department of Anthropology
> >                 880 Spencer W. Kimball Tower
> >                 Brigham Young University
> >                 Provo, UT 84602
> >         http://byu.academia.edu/GregoryThompson
> >         <http://byu.academia.edu/GregoryThompson>
> >                 <http://byu.academia.edu/GregoryThompson
> >         <http://byu.academia.edu/GregoryThompson>>
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