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[Xmca-l] Re: Hegel on Action



James,
This phrase (sign in the mind) reminds me of the concept (symbolic interactionism) and the history of that tradition  or discursive community who were  linking (symbolic) with (interactionism). 
Not sure if this is off track or not

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From: Andy Blunden
Sent: July 15, 2017 5:30 AM
To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Hegel on Action

James, I think you're using "material" in some specific 
sense which is unknown to me. It seems to me to be something 
to do with body language as opposed to speech, maybe 
practical consciousness rather than discursive 
consciousness. "Material" understood as meaning "made of 
matter" would simply be the opposite of "in my imagination". 
I find it difficult to get my head around the idea of a 
"sign in the mind" and if "mind" was some place other than 
the material world where a sign could be located. I'm sure 
what you are talking about is perfectly good, but I can't 
relate it to the absolutely basic ontological issue which 
you raised out of my paper about action.

Andy

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On 15/07/2017 8:15 PM, James Ma wrote:
> Thanks for such helpful explanation, Andy.
> Regarding my last question, I mean one's feeling or sense 
> perception involved in social practice in a social context 
> possesses the material quality of a psychic image (a sign 
> in the mind). This material quality can be one's facial 
> expression or bodily movement connected with a particular 
> feeling.
>
> James
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> On 15 July 2017 at 09:42, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net 
> <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>> wrote:
>
>     James, the meaning for words such as "material" and to
>     a lesser extent the other words in your message have
>     meanings which are extremely context (or discourse)
>     dependent. The Stanford Encyclopaedia of Philosophy
>     doesn't have a definition of Matter, considering it
>     only in relation to Form, but their definition of
>     Substance will do the trick. I follow Lenin and
>     Vygotsky in my understanding of matter. (Hegel didn't
>     like to use the word, because he took it as too linked
>     to Atomism. Marx used "material" in a very specific
>     way to do with reproduction of the means of life.)
>
>     As to the philosophical meaning of "matter" I think I
>     said it in the paper as succinctly as possible. If
>     it's in the mind then it is not material. I can't make
>     sense of your last question.
>
>     Andy
>
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>     http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making
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>
>     On 15/07/2017 6:28 PM, James Ma wrote:
>
>         This is interesting to me, Andy. Do you rule out
>         anything that has material quality but is actually
>         associated with a mental sign (a sign in the mind,
>         as Peirce would say)? Do you consider social
>         practice (you mentioned earlier) to be tinted with
>         the intrapsychological within oneself?
>
>         James
>
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>
>         */James
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>         <https://oxford.academia.edu/JamesMa/>
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>
>
>         On 15 July 2017 at 07:11, Andy Blunden
>         <ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>
>         <mailto:ablunden@mira.net
>         <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>>> wrote:
>
>             No, it would be spreading confusion, Greg.
>
>             "Matter" in this context is everything outside
>         of my
>             consciousness. "Activity" in this context is
>         human,
>             social practice. Moving attention to the
>         sub-atomic
>             level, a field where we have no common sense,
>         sensuous
>             knowledge, does not help.
>
>             Andy
>
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>             Andy Blunden
>         http://home.mira.net/~andy
>         <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy>
>         <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy>
>         http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making
>         <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making>
>            
>         <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making
>         <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making>>
>
>             On 15/07/2017 2:31 PM, Greg Thompson wrote:
>
>                 Andy,
>                 Just musing here but I'm wondering if
>         "matter" is
>                 anything more than activity, particularly when
>                 considered at the sub-atomic level.
>                 At that level, matter seems a lot more
>         like the
>                 holding of relations in some activity (not so
>                 different from the Notion?).
>                 Or would that be taking things too far?
>                 -greg
>
>                 On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 10:12 PM, Andy Blunden
>                 <ablunden@mira.net
>         <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>
>         <mailto:ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>>
>                 <mailto:ablunden@mira.net
>         <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>
>                 <mailto:ablunden@mira.net
>         <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>>>> wrote:
>
>                     Anyone who got interested in that
>         material about
>                     "Hegel on Action", here is my
>         contribution.
>
>         https://www.academia.edu/33887830/Hegel_on_Action
>         <https://www.academia.edu/33887830/Hegel_on_Action>
>                
>         <https://www.academia.edu/33887830/Hegel_on_Action
>         <https://www.academia.edu/33887830/Hegel_on_Action>>
>                          
>          <https://www.academia.edu/33887830/Hegel_on_Action
>         <https://www.academia.edu/33887830/Hegel_on_Action>
>                
>         <https://www.academia.edu/33887830/Hegel_on_Action
>         <https://www.academia.edu/33887830/Hegel_on_Action>>>
>
>                     Andy
>
>
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>         <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy>
>                 <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy>
>                 <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy>
>         http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making
>         <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making>
>                
>         <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making
>         <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making>>
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>          <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making
>         <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making>
>                
>         <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making
>         <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making>>>
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>
>
>
>
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>                 Department of Anthropology
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