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[Xmca-l] Re: The Mathematics of Mathematics



Mike, there are parts of the text in Vygotsky (Thinking and speech), which,
in the original (1934, also the 2005 compilation, the German version), have
quotation marks. In the English translation the quotation marks have
disappeared (as in the 1984 Russian version). Also disappeared has the
paraphrase of consciousness being cursed by matter, which is in the
original, but which has been purged from the later Russian and all English
translations.

Anton and someone else have published a piece with all the changes that
have been implemented with respect to the 1934 publication.

I am pasting here from the original. You see the quotation marks. The green
part is about the curse of matter on consciousness, which is missing in the
English versions. The quotations are from Marx and Engels, *The German
Ideology*, at least the German and Russian version. (Not all English
translations do justice to the reference publications by the Institute for
Marxism-Leninism, which was published in Moscow in German, 1932, and
Russian, 1933):

Если «язык так же древен, как сознание», если «язык и есть практическое,
существующее для других людей, а следовательно, и для меня самого, сознание»,
если «проклятие материи, проклятие движущихся слоев воздухазначально
тяготеет над чистым сознанием», то очевидно, что
Hope this helps.

Michael


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Wolff-Michael Roth, Lansdowne Professor
Applied Cognitive Science
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University of Victoria
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New book: *The Mathematics of Mathematics
<https://www.sensepublishers.com/catalogs/bookseries/new-directions-in-mathematics-and-science-education/the-mathematics-of-mathematics/>*

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 12:09 PM, mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu> wrote:

> What Marx quotations are those who have access only to the English
> translation missing, Michael?
>
> mike
>
> On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Wolff-Michael Roth <
> wolffmichael.roth@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Carol,
> >
> > the key point is to look at that in what people do that lets
> mathematicians
> > see that something mathematically is happening. The genetic origin of
> that
> > --- like *mathematical *reasoning first IS a social relation (not IN
> > relation, which is the social in a weak sense). I am developing some of
> the
> > ideas that Vygotsky sketched in the last chapter of thinking and speech
> > (including the Marx quotations, the marks of which have been removed from
> > all English translations, and paraphrases. I am situating this in a
> > Marxian-Spinozist perspective, not the dualist Spinoza that some say he
> > was, but the one who emphasized the plural singular or singular plural
> > nature of being. And thus the Vygotsky who writes in his personal notes
> > about "affect in concept," the Vygotsky who seeks to develop a A
> Spinozist
> > approach to Marxian psychology etc etc. I am copying the contents and the
> > cover below.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > Preface vii
> > 1 Vygotsky’s Marxist-Spinozist Re/Orientations 1
> > 2 The Thinking Body 33
> > 3 The Mathematics of Mathematics 55
> > 4 Sociogenesis 77
> > 5 Intra-Intersubjective Field 101
> > 6 Pereživanie – Experience 131
> > 7 Affect and Emotion 151
> > 8 Obučenie – Teaching | Learning 179
> > 9 Mathematics in the Drama of Life 197
> > 10 Overcoming Dualism 217
> > Appendix 225
> > References 227
> > Index 233
> >
> > [image: Inline image 1]
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > --------------------
> > Wolff-Michael Roth, Lansdowne Professor
> > Applied Cognitive Science
> > MacLaurin Building A567
> > University of Victoria
> > Victoria, BC, V8P 5C2
> > http://web.uvic.ca/~mroth <http://education2.uvic.ca/faculty/mroth/>
> >
> > New book: *The Mathematics of Mathematics
> > <https://www.sensepublishers.com/catalogs/bookseries/new-
> > directions-in-mathematics-and-science-education/the-
> > mathematics-of-mathematics/>*
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 8:38 AM, Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Wolff-Michael Roth's new book has just come to my notice.
> > >
> > > Wolff-Michael, would you like to explain a bit to our whole community?
> > It
> > > looks very interesting indeed.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Carol
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Carol A Macdonald Ph.D (Edin)
> > > Cultural Historical Activity Theory
> > > Honorary Research Fellow: Department of Linguistics, Unisa
> > > alternative email address: tmacdoca@unisa.ac.za
> > >
> >
>