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[Xmca-l] Re: identity expressed or formed by action?
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- Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: identity expressed or formed by action?
- From: Stephen Walsh <email@example.com>
- Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 10:58:19 +0000
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ANDY: That sounds good, Stephen, but I don't see any "drive to express
identity" in there. I do think there is a drive to form and preserve social
bonds, but this is not the *expression* of affiliative identity; perhaps
the source of "affiliative identity," and the objective basis for an
imposed identity (as opposed to a self-identity), but not something created
by a desire or drive to express a pre-existing identity.
STEPHEN: I may have to get a coffee and put my thinking cap on a little
Is the impulse (or drive) that was evidenced in the minimal group
experiments to favour our ingroup the same impulse that drives us to give
and accept social support? I think it may be.
On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 10:57 AM, Stephen Walsh <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> I may have to get a coffee and put my thinking cap on a little tighter :)
> Is the impulse (or drive) that was evidenced in the minimal group
> experiments to favour our ingroup the same impulse that drives us to give
> and accept social support? I think it may be.
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Andy Blunden <email@example.com> wrote:
>> That sounds good, Stephen, but I don't see any "drive to express
>> identity" in there. I do think there is a drive to form and preserve social
>> bonds, but this is not the *expression* of affiliative identity; perhaps
>> the source of "affiliative identity," and the objective basis for an
>> imposed identity (as opposed to a self-identity), but not something created
>> by a desire or drive to express a pre-existing identity.
>> Andy Blunden
>> On 15/02/2017 9:36 PM, Stephen Walsh wrote:
>>> Hi Andy,
>>> I think that the answer is both. I think we need to think of identities
>>> as heterogeneous rather than homogeneous. Looking at identity
>>> (dis)continuity following brain injury is instructive. Research we have
>>> conducted with brain injury survivors taking part in post acute community
>>> neurorehabilitiation shows that identities deriving from the groups we
>>> belong to (affiliative identities; e.g. familiy) generate social support
>>> which facilitates the formation of 'self as doer' identities (e.g. painter,
>>> walker etc etc).
>>> Best Regards,
>>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 7:30 AM, Andy Blunden <firstname.lastname@example.org
>>> <mailto:email@example.com>> wrote:
>>> I would be interested in any helpful comments (other
>>> than suggestions for more books to read) from my xmca
>>> psychologist friends on this problem.
>>> In discussion with a friend, who is very au fait with
>>> contemporary social philosophy, but knows nothing of
>>> CHAT, suggested to me a number of ideas intended to be
>>> explanatory (rather than descriptive) of current
>>> social and political trends. He talks about the rise
>>> of "expressive authenticity" since the 1970s and
>>> "collective action as a means to express selfhood." In
>>> response, I questioned whether there is any such thing
>>> as a drive to *express* one's identity, and that
>>> rather, collective action (and there is fundamentally
>>> no other kind of action) in pursuit of needs of all
>>> kinds (spiritual, social and material) is *formative*
>>> of identity.
>>> A classic case for analysis is the well-known
>>> observation that nowadays people purchase (clothes,
>>> cars, food, ...) as a means of expressing their
>>> identity. I question this, because it presumes that
>>> there is the innate drive to express one's identity,
>>> which I see no evidence for. I think people adopt
>>> dress styles in much the same way that people carry
>>> flags - to promote a movement they think positive and
>>> to gain social acceptance in it. Identity-formation is
>>> a *result* not a cause of this.
>>> So, am I wrong? Is identity formation a result or a
>>> cause of activity?
>>> -- ------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Andy Blunden
>>> http://home.mira.net/~andy <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy>