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[Xmca-l] Re: Trump's speech and Perezhivanie

Thank you Alfredo for summarising some of the discussion and
propositions thus far about Trump¹s speech & rise and perezhivanie!

In relation to the lived experience of those who may be
Trump supporters or from the areas that voted for him, here is an
article I read this morning that might be worth adding to the list of
materials. https://nyti.ms/2kdeQlg
And also another page of protest

As for various ways to research and respond going forward,could I add a
few more thoughts about this.
any people are living through experiences and are feeling
emotions very deeply, they are also expressing ideas that may be deeply
and felt. The phenomenon we are watching and experiencing is individual and
personal, but it is also highly collective, participatory and mediated. I
the phenomenon of various social media and global communications means
there is
interesting work to be done in exploring Œcollective¹ and Œcultural¹

Experience is being documented through artefacts and shared
within local and global communities with Œmeanings¹ are being made and
as we speak (e.g. Trump and his media spokesperson¹s Œtruth¹ of the numbers
attending the inauguration).  Over time
there are usually certain cultural narratives that may achieve a kind of
Œstability¹ in the greater scheme of things (while acknowledging these are
often contested and incomplete, you can still generally identify such
narratives when you look back at Œkey incidents¹ and times in history).
Some of us, most notably Andy have found that in considering
the notion of perezhivanie that it has also been helpful to draw upon
work of having Œan experience¹.  This
also draws attention to the notion of struggle, reflection, consummation,
completion and transformation through form (in Dewey¹s Art as experience ­
was expressed then through various art forms).

So how can we work with this? Cultural-historical
discussions around perezhivanie
highlight that this concept is not just having an Œemotional experience¹,
is also a unit of analysis which takes into account subjective and
factors  (Œconstitutional
characteristics¹ and the Œsocial situation of development¹) that
contribute to
meaning making and learning. There is also recognition of the
interrelation of
affective and cognitive domains, and the re-living of experience (and
through art and expressive forms) and relationship to meaning making Š
So what could be analysed might include individual and
collective units of Œexperience¹, the various factors and the various means
(tools, processes, signs) that are using to mediate and then meaning make
around those experiences. In the longer term it may be worth tracking that
meaning making and sense of significance or not that emerges, both in the
dominant narratives (e.g. via various news sources online), but also for
in smaller groups (communities) and at the individual level. It could be
people investigate their own perezhivanie, or those of groups and
collectives including
the online communities.

What  sense people make of these and what action is taken from here is
going to be worth watching, documenting and analysing. The strength of
experiences (e.g. the Œhigh¹ of being part of a collective taking to the
streets) may be significant but fleeting, and still to be processed and
revisited in order to determine
if there are implications for future action. Does the experience mean
for people to do something else next ­ that is an interesting question. and
communications, the re-living and re-storying that is and will occur, the
various media and tools that have been generated and how they are being
interpreted and re-mediated etc etcŠ there is certainly a lot of scope for
individual and shared endeavours I would think!

Kind regards


On 22/01/2017 5:40 pm, "xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu on behalf of
Alfredo Jornet Gil" <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu on behalf of
a.j.gil@iped.uio.no> wrote:

>Thank you all for following up on the Trump's speech suggestion.
>Helena, the way you have re-phrased my proposal is exactly they way I had
>hoped it to be heard. I think Andy, Helena, Sue, Greg and Larry have
>offered empirical materials for and analyses of the type we would be
>producing if we were to follow the proposal. Thanks Greg for the
>reference, which seems right to the point, and Sue for the glimpse to
>people's best protest signs (they are good empirical materials for sure).
>Thanks Andy, too, offering your body and soul to scientific progress and
>undergoing the inaugural speech again. The way you describe it is very
>close to how I thought and felt yesterday.
>My family and friends today joined the march here in Victoria, and, like
>Helena mentions, we all commented on how well it felt. There was a very
>cheerful, friendly atmosphere, and lots of affection. I too felt better
>In case we wanted to go forward with this project, I have created a
>google doc in which I am collecting the resources, empirical cases, and
>analyses that we have begun producing. I have also added additional links
>(like one to the "Bikers for Trump" site, and the full transcript of the
>inaugural speech plus a link from the Washington Post.
>The document should be accessible to everyone who follow this link:
>I guess the easiest way is that I curate it, populating it with content
>shared in xmca, but everyone is able and welcome to edit.
>From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
>on behalf of Helena Worthen <helenaworthen@gmail.com>
>Sent: 22 January 2017 06:54
>To: ablunden@mira.net; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Trump's speech and Perezhivanie
>OK, got it.
>Helena Worthen
>Berkeley, CA 94707
>Blog about US and Viet Nam: helenaworthen.wordpress.com
>> On Jan 21, 2017, at 9:29 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
>> No, Helena, the *environment* is the same, but each are in a different
>>*social situation of development*, thus the different perezhivanie.
>> Andy
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> Andy Blunden
>> http://home.mira.net/~andy
>> http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making
>> On 22/01/2017 3:48 PM, Helena Worthen wrote:
>>> ... The social situation ‹ like the alcoholic mother in the case with
>>>the three children each with a different perezvhanie - is the same for
>>>both people who are listening to the speech, but the people (like the
>>>children) respond differently.

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