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[Xmca-l] Re: Trump's speech and Perezhivanie

Well, I'm 71 and I subjected myself again to 17 mins of Trump, in the service of xmca.

I am filled again with feelings of anger, disgust and frustration. I see a *conman*, he has appropriated lines from every discourse known to humanity, some progressive, some reactionary and pumped it out, drained of meaning in the hope of hooking a fish with such an obvious bait. Not even a very good conman. He promotes *magical thinking*, all the social problems of American stop "now". Magical thinking. Within hours he is ripping health cover of several million of the poorest Americans and giving corporations the green light to ignore environmental regulations. My feelings of anger and disgust are generated not so much by his wilful assault on people (before Obama these people never had health care anyway), but by the hypocrisy and duplicity with which it is done. As a non-American all the "victim-America" talk is of course also particularly provocative.

In a word disgust at what I see as a gesture of utter contempt for his listeners. If I had to perform my reaction on stage, and if I were to take Stanislavskii's advice, I would adopt the feeling of disgust as the meaning which made my perception of the speech into an aesthetic whole.


Andy Blunden
On 22/01/2017 12:55 PM, mike cole wrote:
Hi Larry --

You did not pick up on Alfredo's suggestion that xmca-o-philes conduct a
collective investigation of the relationship of people's responses to the
new administration as related to their age. Seemed like an interesting idea
to me.


On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 5:29 PM, <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote:

I will share an impression I had as I listened to a particular group being
interviewed who were inspired by the Trump speech.
The group were ‘the biker’s for Trump’. I asked what symbolic form they
were inhabiting or living out? The answer i came up with was the modern
symbolic of being ‘On the Road Again’ and distancing from the perceived
limitations of social con/striction. Then Thelma and Louise came to mind.
Now how does this modern American cultural imaginary of being on the road
again  inter/sect with Trump’s speech.
Trump said now there is only the future. No doubling back. The form
changes, but there is a deeper (layered) imaginary being expressed that is
shared between the biker’s for Trump and Trump’s speech. This symbolic
(taking multiple forms) is profoundly anti-historical in rhetoric. It
creates ‘dramatic places’ in which people ‘fall into’ and become animated
and encouraged and re-enchanted and re-vitalized. There is a re/lease from
perceived constraints.

Alfredo, My impression watching the inauguration and the motivating
dramatic place Trump opens for some while sending a shudder down the spine
for others. The myth of escape from the shackles of history runs deep as a
symbolic imaginary that takes multiple ‘forms’ in the American dream.

This is only one quick pass through as an impression.

Sent from my Windows 10 phone

From: Alfredo Jornet Gil
Sent: January 21, 2017 12:46 PM
To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
Subject: [Xmca-l] Trump's speech and Perezhivanie

Dear Helena, Andy, all,

Unfortunately, I have not been able to find the time to watch the movie
Fate of a Man, but I have followed the very interesting analyses and
conversations about it. I am opening this thread as connexions between
those analyses, perezhivanie, and current tragic social and political
situation in the US and elsewhere. This also connects with the article that
Mike shared on the position of the Learning Sciences with regard to this
situation (how happy I was to see this initiative!).

In particular, I wanted to pick up on Helena's very true comment that "the
US is going to have to produce some works of scholarship or art, or both,
that attempt to explain what is happening now here in the US -- for
example, this afternoon, under President Trump."

Yesterday, we saw at home Trump's speech. Although we had followed Trump's
campaign and its denigrating tenor, it was yesterday, for the first time,
that my wife and me got this gut feeling of true tragedy, of a real *drama*
as we heard those empty, but to recover the prior article for discussion,
hollowed and hollowing words coming out of that mouth. It came upon us that
there may be lots of people for whom those words are not hollowed, but
actually encouraging, rich, beautiful. How can you hear that as beauty?

So, I was wondering, and in following up with our 2016 MCA Issue 4
discussion,  whether we could not actually conduct an analysis of the sort
Marc offers in his article of the perezhivanie. Just as Vygotsky explains
how 3 different children experience the situation of an alcoholic mother
differently, could not we perform an analysis ?of that perezhivanie in
which a person experiences yesterday's situation as one of encouragement,
of freedom and hope. Would that not be a way to try to understand what is
going on? This would not be a piece of art, but could be something we could
do to try to understand and change this situation.

We could then contrast that perezhivanie with the one many of as have, in
which the situation is experience as a real TRAGEDY. I think in the first
case, there is no hope for change, there is contempt; in the second,
hearing those words as hollowed and hollowing require that you live the
situation as a doubled situation in which you experienced it from a very
different developmental stage. One in which the speech sounds as a case of

Should we find the transcribed speech and perform such analysis?

Going now to support the Woman's march here in Victoria BC.