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[Xmca-l] Re: Trump's speech and Perezhivanie
Hi Larry --
You did not pick up on Alfredo's suggestion that xmca-o-philes conduct a
collective investigation of the relationship of people's responses to the
new administration as related to their age. Seemed like an interesting idea
On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 5:29 PM, <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> I will share an impression I had as I listened to a particular group being
> interviewed who were inspired by the Trump speech.
> The group were ‘the biker’s for Trump’. I asked what symbolic form they
> were inhabiting or living out? The answer i came up with was the modern
> symbolic of being ‘On the Road Again’ and distancing from the perceived
> limitations of social con/striction. Then Thelma and Louise came to mind.
> Now how does this modern American cultural imaginary of being on the road
> again inter/sect with Trump’s speech.
> Trump said now there is only the future. No doubling back. The form
> changes, but there is a deeper (layered) imaginary being expressed that is
> shared between the biker’s for Trump and Trump’s speech. This symbolic
> (taking multiple forms) is profoundly anti-historical in rhetoric. It
> creates ‘dramatic places’ in which people ‘fall into’ and become animated
> and encouraged and re-enchanted and re-vitalized. There is a re/lease from
> perceived constraints.
> Alfredo, My impression watching the inauguration and the motivating
> dramatic place Trump opens for some while sending a shudder down the spine
> for others. The myth of escape from the shackles of history runs deep as a
> symbolic imaginary that takes multiple ‘forms’ in the American dream.
> This is only one quick pass through as an impression.
> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
> From: Alfredo Jornet Gil
> Sent: January 21, 2017 12:46 PM
> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: [Xmca-l] Trump's speech and Perezhivanie
> Dear Helena, Andy, all,
> Unfortunately, I have not been able to find the time to watch the movie
> Fate of a Man, but I have followed the very interesting analyses and
> conversations about it. I am opening this thread as connexions between
> those analyses, perezhivanie, and current tragic social and political
> situation in the US and elsewhere. This also connects with the article that
> Mike shared on the position of the Learning Sciences with regard to this
> situation (how happy I was to see this initiative!).
> In particular, I wanted to pick up on Helena's very true comment that "the
> US is going to have to produce some works of scholarship or art, or both,
> that attempt to explain what is happening now here in the US -- for
> example, this afternoon, under President Trump."
> Yesterday, we saw at home Trump's speech. Although we had followed Trump's
> campaign and its denigrating tenor, it was yesterday, for the first time,
> that my wife and me got this gut feeling of true tragedy, of a real *drama*
> as we heard those empty, but to recover the prior article for discussion,
> hollowed and hollowing words coming out of that mouth. It came upon us that
> there may be lots of people for whom those words are not hollowed, but
> actually encouraging, rich, beautiful. How can you hear that as beauty?
> So, I was wondering, and in following up with our 2016 MCA Issue 4
> discussion, whether we could not actually conduct an analysis of the sort
> Marc offers in his article of the perezhivanie. Just as Vygotsky explains
> how 3 different children experience the situation of an alcoholic mother
> differently, could not we perform an analysis ?of that perezhivanie in
> which a person experiences yesterday's situation as one of encouragement,
> of freedom and hope. Would that not be a way to try to understand what is
> going on? This would not be a piece of art, but could be something we could
> do to try to understand and change this situation.
> We could then contrast that perezhivanie with the one many of as have, in
> which the situation is experience as a real TRAGEDY. I think in the first
> case, there is no hope for change, there is contempt; in the second,
> hearing those words as hollowed and hollowing require that you live the
> situation as a doubled situation in which you experienced it from a very
> different developmental stage. One in which the speech sounds as a case of
> Should we find the transcribed speech and perform such analysis?
> Going now to support the Woman's march here in Victoria BC.