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[Xmca-l] Re: Fwd: English version of Cultural Model


What I am interested in is the HOW would the new come from within a community of novices?  W.E.B Du Bois (1803) suggested his "talented tenth" program for black america.  That is, the talented tenth of black america educated in western society would be the new leaders of the community leading them to a "new" modernity without racism (as the old modernity was built of the intellectual inferiority of the so-called negro) .  E. Franklin Frazier (1936) argued instead they became a simulacra of white folks, "the black bourgeoisie."  Carter g. Woodson (1933) took it further and argued they became miseducated.  

Historically speaking, in the african diaspora, the majority of the african novices in modernity did not create anything new.  The majority reproduced the discourse and discursive practices of their former colonial masters, what frantz fanon called black - skinned white masked individuals.

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<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu> </div><div>Date:07/08/2015  12:56 PM  (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu> </div><div>Cc: "Madhere, Serge" <smadhere@howard.edu> </div><div>Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Fwd: English version of Cultural Model </div><div>
</div>I have no idea where you get your reading of LSV and creativity, Greg. I am
not sure who the person with the correct interpretation of Vygotsky is, so
can't help there.With respect to his ideas on creativity many
knowledgeable folk are "present" on xmca and can perhaps help.

I think I might be able to  provide an answer that accords with my
understanding to the question you pose. Your question :

*Can we imagine the "new" coming from within a community (of novices!)
rather than from without? *

We do not have to imagine this happening in so far as as direct observation
is infused with imagining. We can rely upon empirical data. In  *Cultural
Psychology *and elsewhere I have turned to the work of Rose and Felton
(1955) on creation and diffusion of culture in small groups, work which has
been extended in Schaller and Crandall (2004). Very bare bones but it seems
to be an illustration of the "new" coming from within a community of
novices. I have taken these bare bones and added to them Gary Allen Fine's
description of the formation of idioculture and applied that idea to
watching the genesis of a new 5thDimension from rumors
of one that existed once somewhere by people in a new her and now. Seems
like I see a thread of joint mediated action-in-activity running from its
bare bones to to its live performance.

Also seems like a way to approach the study of language emergence
Nicaraguan sign, a contested history.


PS-- Rose and Felton attached. Do not know if a pdf of the book exists.

someoneone calling our "wildfire is down" and

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Greg Thompson <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com>

> ​A colleague was just telling me of Michel-Rolph Trouillot's book on the
> Haitian Revolution, *Silencing the Past: Power and the Production of
> History*. One of the things that he mentioned was that Trouillot points to
> the general non-recognizability of what happened in Haiti - here was the
> first black republic and the first central American nation to declare
> independence from colonialism and yet almost no one had written about it.
> In the historical consciousness (of North Americans), it was as if it never
> happened - an "unthinkable history". At the time of its happening, it was
> truly unthinkable - notions of liberty among a Black populace was an
> impossible thing for white Europeans to imagine.
> And yet, it happened.
> In connection with questions about "the end in the beginning" and the
> (seeming?) necessity of the expert-novice relationship, I wonder if this
> might be a blind spot for Vygotsky-ian theorizing vis a vis creativity,
> innovation, and the "new"?
> With respect to Haiti, it seems like something new is coming into being. So
> then, how do we imagine this new-ness of being? The default Vygotsky-ian
> approach seems to be that the new development comes from the
> already-fully-formed. In the case of Haiti, this could lead down the
> unfortunate path of seeing the Haitian situation (the new) as being
> dependent upon the European colonizers (the fully-formed). This seems to
> me, in a sense, to return us to the view that there was "nothing new" in
> the Haitian revolution.
> This is a potential blind spot that I was pointing to with Packer's piece
> as well as in the case of Nicaraguan sign language. Can we imagine the
> "new" coming from within a community (of novices!) rather than from
> without?
> I'd welcome corrections here to my thinking about Vygotsky, CHAT, and/or
> Haiti. Please.
> -greg
> ​
> On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Dr. Paul C. Mocombe <
> pmocombe@mocombeian.com
> > wrote:
> > Dr. Madhere  has provided the English version of the kreyol charts I sent
> > in a previous email.  I am waiting for the paper.
> >
> >
> > Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note® II
> >
> > <div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: "Madhere, Serge"
> > <smadhere@Howard.edu> </div><div>Date:07/04/2015  9:36 AM  (GMT-05:00)
> > </div><div>To: pmocombe@mocombeian.com </div><div>Subject: English
> > version of Cultural Model </div><div>
> > </div>Mr Mocombe,
> >
> >
> > As you requested, please find attached the English version of the slides
> > from my model on culture and education.
> >
> >
> > Serge Madhere PhD
> >
> >
> >
> --
> Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
> Assistant Professor
> Department of Anthropology
> 880 Spencer W. Kimball Tower
> Brigham Young University
> Provo, UT 84602
> http://byu.academia.edu/GregoryThompson


All there is to thinking is seeing something noticeable which makes
you see something you weren't noticing which makes you see something
that isn't even visible. N. McLean, *A River Runs Through it*