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[Xmca-l] Re: A Question about Reading and Motivation



Full Kevin Wheldall citations here:
http://www.musec.mq.edu.au/staff_list/professor_kevin_wheldall/

I can't find an article on line anymore (except behind academic blocked
sites,  here
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/19404150903264294?journalCode=rald20#.Ui5xdSIW3eU)
so I'll try to attach it (430 K, MonaTobias2008Article.pdf) and see what
happens.

His preamble is interesting for me because it shows that it is **possible**
for someone to make the shift from a left wing social class warrior to a
(fill in your own descriptor) phonics warrior. But of course this
observation from me has little real value, it is just another evidence less
narrative, a nice story, which tweaked my particular memes evocatively.


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Helen Grimmett
<helen.grimmett@monash.edu>wrote:

> >
> >  I have as an
> > expert constructionist made it work well for the disadvantaged in a
> single
> > classroom but failed totally in making it scale.
>
>
> And therein lies the rub. The type of relationship building that is
> required to make it work must be created anew in each single classroom and
> cannot possibly be scaled up because it will look, feel and sound different
> in each one. The only way to scale it up is for every teacher to understand
> for themselves that this is what is required and go about making it happen
> in their own classroom. Teachers can be led to this understanding but it
> can't be provided as a 'package' of what to do and say. It has to be worked
> out in each and every interaction between teacher and student/s. Not very
> economical, but totally necessary.
>
> Helen G
>
>
> Dr Helen Grimmett
> Lecturer, Student Adviser,
> Faculty of Education,
> Building 902, Room 159
> Monash University, Berwick campus
> Phone: 9904 7171
>
>
>
>
> On 10 September 2013 10:12, Bill Kerr <billkerr@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I have some reading to do (and it will take time since I'm very busy on
> > something else at the moment). Thanks to those who have provided source
> > material. I have commenced some reading and am not satisfied so far but
> > don't propose to do nitpicking or "emotionally charged" responses as some
> > have here.
> >
> > Here is my brief opinion on what counts as evidence. Evocative personal
> or
> > individual stories / narratives and opinions do not count as strong
> > evidence IMO. A narrative no matter how well told or touching is only a
> > story about how one or a small group of individuals learnt to become good
> > readers, who progressed to love literature and use it expertly etc.
> >
> > Also a theoretical model that appeals strongly to widely recognised
> > progressive norms (freedom, autonomy, creativity etc.) does not in itself
> > count as evidence ... unless demonstrated to scale to help large groups
> of
> > disadvantaged progress to become literate citizens.
> >
> > What would count as convincing evidence for me is hard data about a large
> > group of disadvantaged youngsters (more than one inspirational teacher
> in a
> > single classroom) who have significant socio-economic barriers stacked
> > against them and a way was found for them to turn them from not literate
> to
> > literate, in this real, imperfect capitalist world.
> >
> > What I believe (perhaps wrongly) is that such evidence exists but that
> some
> > find it hard to look at because of ideological predispositions, that we
> all
> > have filters and blinkers and they operate in devious ways.
> >
> > I do not regard myself as an expert on reading instruction (and so I do
> > have a lot of work to do) but I do regard myself as an expert on
> > constructionism (Papert's and Minsky's version) used in the context of
> > teaching maths and programming in disadvantaged schools. From that
> context
> > I am setting a high bar, as any reformed smoker would.  ie. I have as an
> > expert constructionist made it work well for the disadvantaged in a
> single
> > classroom but failed totally in making it scale.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 5:21 AM, White, Phillip
> > <Phillip.White@ucdenver.edu>wrote:
> >
> > > Michael - first, many thanks for pointing out that the joy of reading
> is
> > > much much more than just reading for information.  i was sloppy in my
> > > singular use of the term "information", particularly in these days of
> > high
> > > stakes testing where comprehending "informational texts" is so highly
> > > regarded.  i was using "information' in the sense of finding out about
> > and
> > > exploring the world that one is really interested in  -  an yes, i'm
> > > working with a second grader who values reading as a way to learn
> > > everything about Justin Bieber.  she's enthralled by the notion of a
> > > penthouse, where he lives.
> > >
> > > and really, discovering story world of Virginia Woolf's in the early
> 60's
> > > saved my ass.
> > >
> > > phillip
> > >
> > >
> > > Phillip White, PhD
> > > Urban Community Teacher Education Program
> > > Site Coordinator
> > > Montview Elementary, Aurora, CO
> > > phillip.white@ucdenver.edu
> > > or
> > > pawhite@aps.k12.co.us
> > > ________________________________________
> > > From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu [xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
> ]
> > > On Behalf Of MICHAEL W SMITH [mwsmith@temple.edu]
> > > Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:04 AM
> > > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > > Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: A Question about Reading and Motivation
> > >
> > > My research with adolescents suggests that the joy of reading includes,
> > but
> > > is not limited to the comprehension of information as the responses
> from
> > > one 8th grade girl illustrates.  She does indeed talk about the
> pleasure
> > of
> > > learning information that she can put to use: “And then, using it? I
> > guess
> > > I just have a lot of the stuff, just sort of in my brain and then when
> > that
> > > kind of subject comes up, they’ll need the information I have. And
> then,
> > I
> > > can usually just tell people, ‘Oh, I just read this book, and it turns
> > out
> > > yadda-ya’ or sometimes I won’t even tell them I read the book. I’ll
> just
> > > say, ‘Did you know?’ or ‘Oh I heard about that.’"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > She also talks about the pleasure of entering a story world, which
> seems
> > to
> > > be something different than the way comprehension is traditionally
> > > understood:  “ I get bored with my life sometimes. Not like super
> bored,
> > > like midlife crisis bored, but just reality gets boring sometimes and
> its
> > > cool to think about other stuff. I’m reading *The Clan of the Cave
> Bear*,
> > > the second one, and it’s cool cuz it’s not everyday life, it’s
> something
> > I
> > > haven’t experienced, but I’m sort of semi-experiencing it.”
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Because she semi-experiences what the characters do, she can use her
> > > reading to think about her life:  “Sometimes when, like, big stuff
> > happens
> > > in my life, I’ll think about what my favorite character would have
> done,
> > > the ones I admire most. Also, sort of subconscious. I don’t stop and
> > think
> > > about what someone would do, it’s just something that happens. Like, I
> > bet
> > > so-and-so would be really brave about this, or, one of my favorite
> > > characters would have totally sped after this guy. And then sometimes I
> > > follow their example and sometimes I don’t. . . . They all have
> different
> > > approaches, different ways they approach things, and then I try to
> apply
> > > that to my life, to see which way works for me. Characters are just
> ways
> > of
> > > thinking, really.”
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sometimes the pleasure she describes seems to be a more detached
> > > intellectual pleasure:  “I like to think also about what the author
> could
> > > have written instead of what they did write, like different endings,
> > like a
> > > dramatic part, I’ll stop and think about what could happen next, and
> then
> > > read and see what does happen. I just finished reading one, and it’s
> got
> > a
> > > really cliffhanger ending, and I haven’t bought the next book yet, and
> > I’m
> > > coming up with all these ideas about what happened next.”
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > And finally, she talks about the pleasure she gains from using her
> > reading
> > > to deepen her relationship with others:  “When I take [the books] home,
> > > actually I start reading my book on the car ride back from the book
> store
> > > most of the time. My dad and I always go to Baja Fresh after the book
> > > store, because it’s right there and pretty good Mexican food. We have
> an
> > > inside joke, we say,  ‘Are we going to eat like people or are we going
> to
> > > read and eat at the same time,’ and I say, ‘Dad, shush I’m reading.’”
> > >
> > >
> > > The young people we talked to were remarkably articulate about the
> > variety
> > > of ways they  took joy from reading.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > --
> > > Michael W. Smith
> > > Professor and Chair
> > > Department of Teaching and Learning
> > > Temple University
> > > College of Education
> > > 351 Ritter Hall
> > > 1301 Cecil B. Moore Avenue
> > > Philadelphia, PA 19122
> > >
> > >
> >
>

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