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Greg,
If you Google [vimeo Luria Cole Bruner ]

The first item that appears is the vimeo video.

I am fascinated by the concept of *synesthesia *
larry


On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Greg Thompson <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com>wrote:

> And not to the Luria book yet, but here is a nice quote from Luria I just
> came across while working on another paper:
> "We should not look for the explanation of behavior in the depths of the
> brain or the soul but in th eexternal living conditions of persons and most
> of all in the external conditions of their societal life, in their
> social-historical forms of existence." (Luria 1979, p. 23).
> Wise words from the founder of neuroscience.
> -greg
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 8:00 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
>
> > And this is one of the principles of "Romantic Science." I'll dig up the
> > quote from  Goethe, but he was insistent, as I recall, that science
> needed
> > to be opened up so that it could be practised by anyone without the use
> of
> > either expensive equipment of elaborate mathematical apparatus, so that
> > science could become an integral part of general social practice, rather
> > than the esoteric knowledge of an elite (which is precisely what
> > neuroscience has become!).
> > Andy
> >
> > mike cole wrote:
> >
> >> It can be used by anyone with enough knowledge of the sources of the
> >> equinamity to be selective in the appropriate way.
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> On Thursday, July 25, 2013, Andy Blunden wrote:
> >>
> >>     Well, I was hoping for a little more discussion about the
> >>     "combined motor method" and "method of dual stimulation" as
> >>     *models* and/or *units of analysis*, but those are my personal
> >>     topics of interest. Also of interest to me is that this guy,
> >>     Luria, the founder of modern neuropsychology did not investigate
> >>     the brain by poking electrodes into the gray matter or using
> >>     imaging machines, but directly by means available to the human
> >>     senses investigated action, the unity of thinking and behaviour,
> >>     by, as you say Mike, disrupting that unity, using again, methods
> >>     perfectly accessible to ordinary understanding and perception.
> >>     This is in line, for me, with his warning that "least of all does
> >>     he attempt to deduce the laws of hiugher activity from simple
> >>     neurodynamical processes." No, he had to intervene in behaviour
> >>     and observe the results. The idea of temporarily disrupting a
> >>     person's equanimity and control over their behaviour, so as to
> >>     cause them to unwittingly betray what is on their mind is
> >>     something which can be of use to anyone, even those without
> >>     expensive electronic equipment or even old brass instruments.
> >>
> >>     Andy
> >>
> >>     mike cole wrote:
> >>
> >>         I am away from home and this next week will not be a good time
> >>         for serious
> >>         responses.
> >>
> >>         I clearly have lots of views on inter-disciplines and history
> >>         of the
> >>         development of those we have. Its GREAT having Charles B back
> >>         in the
> >>         discussion after a long vacation and to great effect.
> >>
> >>         BUT
> >>
> >>         I think the Luria book is interesting and darned if most
> >>         xmca-ites did not
> >>         jump straight on the need for CHAT folks (at least!) to focus
> >>         on that
> >>         general issue and ignore the luria book and its key ideas!
> >>
> >>         Like DARN!
> >>
> >>         The combined motor method, subject to abuse like all of
> >>         science, is to me
> >>         a brilliant way to delve into the problem of knowing other
> >>         minds and it is
> >>         not irrelevant that Freud and Jung were up there on ARL's
> >>         reading list
> >>         a century ago.,.. and address in the book! It was
> >>         psychiatrists who were
> >>         central to getting it published (look at a copy). It has been
> >>         re-invented
> >>         many times during my professional career with zero recognition
> >>         of the
> >>         principle involved: the selective discoordination of voluntary
> >>         behavior.
> >>
> >>         The idea of functional barrier?
> >>
> >>         The treatment of quasi-motives and Lewin? (and were'nt we
> >>         interested in
> >>         Lewin once of twice within living memory "here""?).
> >>
> >>         Mike-gone-fishing
> >>
> >>         PS- For one example of a way to bring social sciences,
> >>         philosophy, history,
> >>         the anthropology, sociology, etc together check out the
> >>         curriculum at
> >>         communication.ucsd.edu <http://communication.ucsd.edu**>. Now
> >>
> >>         who would of thought up something like
> >>         that??  :-)
> >>
> >>         science as practiced by not-only-Ed these days
> >>
> >>         On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Larry Purss
> >>         <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>             Charles, Greg
> >>             Thank you for this emerging topic and theme of
> >>             interdisciplinary
> >>             possibilities.
> >>             Charles, has there been an *historical effect* of your
> >>             writing this article
> >>             on the journal *Psychiatry*.
> >>
> >>             The emergence of *family systems therapy* was strongly
> >>             influenced by the
> >>             William Alanson White institute [for example Salvador
> >>             Minuchin studied
> >>             there.
> >>             Psychoanalysis is also impacted through *interpersonal
> >>             psychiatry*  in its
> >>             relational turn.
> >>
> >>             A central motif emerging within this tradition is the
> >>             understanding of
> >>             *anxiety* [as POSSIBLE or anticipated stress].
> >>
> >>             A central question becomes, "How do I [or we] make
> >>             ourselves safe?"
> >>
> >>             How central is this question concerning *anxiety* as a
> >>             factor that
> >>             motivates actions? I often ask this question when
> >>             exploring communicative
> >>             praxis or pragmatic understandings. Many of the examples
> >>             in the 12 issues
> >>             of the journal explored are exploring the possibility of
> >>             [or avoidance of]
> >>             perceived anxiety.
> >>
> >>             Fascinating topic.
> >>             Thanks,
> >>             Larry
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>             On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Charles Bazerman <
> >>             bazerman@education.ucsb.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>                 Thanks for the Group Processes reference.  I will have
> >>                 to wait until
> >>
> >>             after
> >>
> >>                 travels this summer to get a hard copy, as the ecopy
> >>                 seems to be locked
> >>                 down.
> >>                 Peirce, I agree makes an important move by recognizing
> >>                 the importance of
> >>                 interpretation, but despite looking at his works a
> >>                 number of times on the
> >>                 recommendation of people I trust, I find he does not
> >>                 get us far enough.
> >>                  This is what I have to say about him in my soon to be
> >>                 released volume A
> >>                 Theory of Literate Action.
> >>                 best,
> >>                 Chuck
> >>
> >>                 Peirce's semiotics with interpretation
> >>                         Charles Peirce, among the founding generation
> >>                 of pragmatists,
> >>                 looked most directly at language and semiotics, making
> >>                 some first steps
> >>                 towards articulating the implications of a pragmatist
> >>                 view for language
> >>
> >>             and
> >>
> >>                 language use. Most importantly, he recognized a major
> >>                 role for the
> >>                 interpreting speaker and interpreting hearer in the
> >>                 meanings conveyed by
> >>                 communication, rather than assuming meaning was
> >>                 immanent in an abstracted
> >>                 language system (Peirce, 1958). It is people who
> >>                 attach meanings to
> >>                 experienced worlds and issues of concern. This
> >>                 recognition of the
> >>                 importance of interpretive processes might lead to an
> >>                 investigation of
> >>
> >>             how
> >>
> >>                 differences in individuals and groups of individuals
> >>                 might influence the
> >>
> >>
> > --
> > ------------------------------**------------------------------**
> > ------------
> > *Andy Blunden*
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> >
> >
> >
>
>
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